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Old September 6th, 2015, 08:27 AM
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Hi guys...new to the forum. Just getting started with LR over the last few years.
I have an 86 110 with the 2.5 NA.
Looking to increase power and speed. What is the most common conversion? 300tdi, td5? Not sure which ones fit and if it is worth it.
Does the drivetrain need to be changed as well?

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Old September 6th, 2015, 08:34 AM
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Old September 6th, 2015, 09:31 AM
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It will increase how fast you go, but I wouldn't call it speed!
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Why not go LS V8?
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200tdi Why not go LS V8?
because a 200tdi will drop right in and will be the simplest update.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 12:13 PM
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The LS will be twice the cost and ten times the work. The 200 is an easy weekend job by yourself.

Not sure how long it takes to do the LS conversion but people seem be to months to years into it.

Certainly tons more power but also tons more work and complexity.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 12:21 PM
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The LS will be twice the cost and ten times the work. The 200 is an easy weekend job by yourself.

Not sure how long it takes to do the LS conversion but people seem be to months to years into it.

Certainly tons more power but also tons more work and complexity.
I did a 200TDi swap with a buddy in less than 8 hours. Easy peasy indeed.
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The LS will be twice the cost and ten times the work. The 200 is an easy weekend job by yourself. Not sure how long it takes to do the LS conversion but people seem be to months to years into it. Certainly tons more power but also tons more work and complexity.
Please people, a 200 isn't a weekend job and you should really stop the insanity. Telling people it is something that doesn't remotely exist is akin to forgery. Does it make you feel cool to type shit like this or something? Total dick move bro.

To the original Poster. Given me a call anytime 703-953-5546. I'll give you a sense of what is involved. I'm currently going through the same process.

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Old September 6th, 2015, 02:02 PM
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Please people, a 200 isn't a weekend job and you should really stop the insanity. Telling people it is something that doesn't remotely exist is akin to forgery. Does it make you feel cool to type shit like this or something? Total dick move bro.

To the original Poster. Given me a call anytime 703-953-5546. I'll give you a sense of what is involved. I'm currently going through the same process.

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I guess that depends on your skill set or lack thereof and work ethic or lack thereof. If you are not capable of doing such a job on your own, calling others out as liars and dicks is what is inappropriate. Taking that behavior to another level and offering your advice as an authority on the process when yours is apparently not yet even finished is incredible hubris.

In 2008, I picked up an engine conversion setup from a container stripping warehouse on a Tuesday, and drove the truck to MAR on that Thursday, complete drive train swap, to include welding in frame mounts. I had never done the job before.

On Raubs truck we swapped the entire drivetrain out to include servicing the timing belt, new clutch, etc on a Memorial day weekend. Both of those jobs were considerably more involved than an engine swap. For example, full VDO aux gauge setup with pyrometer, boost etc, in a mudpod mounted on the dash etc.

Entire/complete being everything but front and rear axles

On my brothers 110 done back in 2009, we did the 200 swap from 2.5 petrol on a December day working outdoors and had it up and running same day. He took another couple weekends with a lhd conversion and installing a td5 dash and 1.2 tcase working by himself.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 02:35 PM
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A defender 200tdi install replacing a 2.5 is a simple bolt in job. On my truck I did it in a weekend by myself. 12 hours labour. We did a friends truck in 6 hours with three people. If you have all the parts it is quick and easy.
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I guess that depends on your skill set or lack thereof and work ethic or lack thereof. If you are not capable of doing such a job on your own, calling others out as liars and dicks is what is inappropriate. My first tdi swap in 2008, I picked up an engine conversion setup from a container stripping warehouse on a Tuesday, and drove the truck to MAR on that Thursday, complete drive train swap, to include welding in frame mounts. On Raubs truck we swapped the entire drivetrain out to include servicing the timing belt, new clutch, etc on a Memorial day weekend. Both of those jobs were considerably more involved than an engine swap. For example, full VDO aux gauge setup with pyrometer, boost etc, in a mudpod mounted on the dash etc. Entire/complete being everything but front and rear axles On my brothers 110 done back in 2009, we did the 200 swap from 2.5 petrol in a day and had it up and running. He took another couple weekends with a lhd conversion and installing a td5 dash and 1.2 tcase working by himself.
Thats applicable in life everywhere, so that's a constant Doug. This is a new guy asking an important investment question so casually setting the bar at One Weekend is outside the norm IMO.

My apologies for derailing this post.
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Having an opinion/differing experience on a subject from the majority and calling other forum members liars and dicks is a very wide behavioral gulf to cross.
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Thats applicable in life everywhere, so that's a constant Doug. This is a new guy asking an important investment question so casually setting the bar at One Weekend is outside the norm IMO.

My apologies for derailing this post.
The issue isn't your post, it is the name calling.
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My apologies everyone. It's tough to get get point across sometimes on the interweb. I have a great degree of respect for everyone here.
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Who's sharing the popcorn? I'm out. ------ Follow up post added September 6th, 2015 02:02 PM ------ FYI. I considered my conversion way over my head on many levels.

I was replacing a V8 with a Tdi. I had someone who I thought knew what he was doing complete the job. It still took almost 3 weeks. He still managed to mess things up and Pendy has been trying to undo all the mess.

If I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't.

That said, you're job should be more straight forward and much easier. Certainly not 3 weeks.
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If it's a defender tdi it's a nuts & bolts swap, no need to weld engine mounts.
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I'm doing the swap for clay. We are into it less than 80 hours to include welding repairs to the chassis, conversion to power steering, and a fairly extensive reconditioning of the engine. It's a disco engine that suffered a bit in its previous life.

IIRC One of the posters to this thread did a weekend swap and then had an engine failure.

Doug, your first weekend swap didn't include basic things like a working starter or any exhaust whatsoever plus you had the engine already out.
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Once you decide to go diesel, I would go with the 200 or 300 swap. I swapped my 2.5 na, in a similar truck to yours, with a 200tdi and its a huge difference. I was lucky enough to find a matched defender engine/gearbox/tcase. And while I didn't do the swap myself, the 200 is fairly easy to learn/ work on- even though I'm new to diesels. Hardest part is finding a decent engine. Good luck.
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I paid a one man shop to swap a 2.25 petrol to 200tdi on a truck I drove in the UK. He did it in a day. And warrantied the engine and work. It is an easy swap if you have a working driving vehicle from the beginning and a working engine to swap.
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I think the biggest hurdle with the 200tdi conversion these days is finding one that's not 90% dead.... if you do decide to go that route buy from a reputable source either on here or direct from the UK.


If you want LS fun... hang in there a while longer until Nick has the kits 100% sorted.... then they'll be a weekend install
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