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Old February 17th, 2013, 05:23 PM
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TD5 Intermittent Sputter

While driving my truck a few weeks ago in the icy cold, I was pulling into a gas station and noticed my TD5 running a little rough, and sputtering. Coming to idle, it sputtered like a blown head gasket feels/sounds, so I cut the engine off. When I came back out and cranked it back up, the sputter was gone, and the engine was running as smooth as normal. It's been a few weeks since, without a sputter.... But today I took it up to the mountains to fly fish, and when I left my house, it started to sputter about 5-10 minutes into the drive. It continues to run, albeit rough, and has a loss of power under load. If I come to a stop and idle, it runs rough.... However, all I have to do is shut the engine off, fire it back up, and it's back to normal idle immediately. It was fine all the 65-70 miles on the way up, but on the way home, it had a couple of sputtering moments. Again, I turned on/off.... Problem fixed until it decided to act up again.

One thing to consider.... My fuel pump is a bit louder at times than others. It's fairly loud once in a while. My fuel filter was replaced not long ago, and I keep the fuel tank at least half full almost all of the time.

Seems electronic to me (TPS?)..... Or the fuel pump is going. Just remember, the turning off and recranking corrects it every time... So far.

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Old February 17th, 2013, 05:48 PM
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Order a pump. It's on the way out.
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Old February 17th, 2013, 05:50 PM
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That's what my initial thought was as well.
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Old February 17th, 2013, 05:54 PM
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it be the pump
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Order a pump. It's on the way out.
My thoughts, too. What is the reason for it resetting on restart? Is that normal?

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My thoughts, too. What is the reason for it resetting on restart? Is that normal?

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The pump change is easy. Takes about 1.5 hours. A guy in Miami usually has them in stock. There is a test procedure to see if it fails. Drop tank, leave plugged in (two wires going to tank), ground a test light and probe the white wire. If it is lit up after you turn the key it is toast.

------ Follow up post added February 17th, 2013 05:59 PM ------

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=54796.

Make sure make a chart for the location of the 4 wires (color coded).
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Old February 17th, 2013, 06:04 PM
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The pump change is easy. Takes about 1.5 hours. A guy in Miami usually has them in stock. There is a test procedure to see if it fails. Drop tank, leave plugged in (two wires going to tank), ground a test light and probe the white wire. If it is lit up after you turn the key it is toast.

------ Follow up post added February 17th, 2013 05:59 PM ------

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=54796.

Make sure make a chart for the location of the 4 wires (color coded).


Great. Who is the guy in Miami? This will be a new one for me, but I may try this job myself. Any special tools needed, other than ratchets? Things to look out for?

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When it goes try to have an empty tank, the trick is moving the skid plate out with out letting the tank fall and possibly break a fuel line. Use a floor jack to lower the tank incrementally. Ad look at the color coded lines and draw a picture. To remove the lines you just need to squeeze the plastic and pull. It is fairly simple.

Once you install the new pump add a pick up tube for a future webasto install if that is something you think you might want down the road. PM me your number if you want to discuss..
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I just ordered on from safari HP and they had one. You might give them a ring to get one the are open tomorrow I think.
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I appreciate it, Shawn. Was yours acting up, or just preventative maintenance?

I know this is a disco and I will have to drop my tank, but is this tech article spot on?

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=54796
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check the injector harness plug for oil ingress right front of head .....
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What Chris said. Prudent before diving into a fuel pump.
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What Chris said. Prudent before diving into a fuel pump.
Will do.
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check the injector harness plug for oil ingress right front of head .....
What he said.
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Will do.

Where exactly is it located? I know what to look for when I get there.

google oil ingress td5 wiring harness
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The culprit has been identified:

I knew it, the moment I was reaching to unplug it and saw oily residue/dust on the outside of the plug.
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Buy replacement harness. Easy job. Cleanup ECU and harness with electrical cleaner.
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Buy replacement harness. Easy job. Cleanup ECU and harness with electrical cleaner.
Yep... Injector harness only, correct? I understand after the initial ECU plug cleanup, I'll have to clean it a few more times until all of the oil in the ECU harness passes through.

Although I prefer no issues (utopian dream), I'm going to do these kinds of things myself and learn my truck. Looking forward to it....

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I think there is a permanent "fix". Check Land Rover Owner mag.
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Yep, just the injector harness. IIRC, pull the engine cover, pull the head cover, remove existing harness and put back together. 30 minute job. Then clean the harness under passenger seat, connector, ECU. After a couple cleanings you should be trouble free. Glad to hear it was something simple.
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