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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:06 PM
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Td5 EPA legal?

There are folks here with a lot more time/ search skills than I have to check this out, but I found this curious.
A later model 110 Td5 came in for service and under the hood we find this decal (see image).
I did a little digging and the 40 CFR 88 comes up as EPA light duty truck regulations.
This decal looks like an original. It certainly could be made up, but...
Does this indicate that the Td5 meets 2002 EPA regulations?
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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:15 PM
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There are folks here with a lot more time/ search skills than I have to check this out, but I found this curious.
A later model 110 Td5 came in for service and under the hood we find this decal (see image).
I did a little digging and the 40 CFR 88 comes up as EPA light duty truck regulations.
This decal looks like an original. It certainly could be made up, but...
Does this indicate that the Td5 meets 2002 EPA regulations?
I'll send the picture to the guy @ EPA I have gone back and forth with over the years.
Sure would be a cool thing if it is.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:17 PM
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Light HD truck is over 6000lbs GVWR so at least it is ballpark right size.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:29 PM
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I have sent the fellow an email. He's in the imports dept @ EPA. I'll post his response when I get it.
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I wonder how many are cloning that decal now.
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The EPA answer will be interesting It says the engine is EPA compliant to the 2002 model year but a 2002 MY vehicle is not allowed in the USA under Customs so ...?
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Here's what I have back so far.

"Mr. Crowther,
We can’t find record of this Engine Family number in the data base so we will have to track it down. As you see on the label it is for a Light Heavy Duty vehicle and part of the Clean-Fuel Vehicles Regulations, so not a standard set up.

Keep in mind LDV’s are certified as a complete unit, engine, converters, emissions system and fuel system. The Engine Family number indicates it is a Heavy Duty Engine which only requires the engine to be certified by the manufacturer."


I asked the question as to the engine being epa approved. His response was that the classification listed on the decal is manufacturer certification that it is compliant, meaning EPA didn't certify it.
Where this will play with imports is that IF he comes back indicating it is indeed approved, td5 engines will be a legal retrofit into 25yr old trucks prior to importation. It would also mean we can import the engines as stand alone units to retrofit.

I'd love to have a td5 setup in my d2 for instance and since all td5's were obd 2 that would be a relatively simple swap.
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Where this will play with imports is that IF he comes back indicating it is indeed approved, td5 engines will be a legal retrofit into 25yr old trucks prior to importation.
My understanding is that even if it's a compliant motor, but wasn't the "original configuration" it left the factory with, that it wouldn't fly for import?
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My understanding is that even if it's a compliant motor, but wasn't the "original configuration" it left the factory with, that it wouldn't fly for import?
You understand wrong.
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You understand wrong.
Well, that's actually good to know!
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Does anyone have the part number for that sticker?
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Old February 24th, 2014, 06:31 PM
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On the EPA import form 3520 under code EE section 2 "With a letter attached to this form from the manufacturer that the vehicle is identical to a US certified vehicle with respect to emissions"-IE what the sticker says.

Granted getting this in writing from JLRNA may be a pain, the picture of the decal should go a long way.

That said I need to dig deeper on the "heavy duty engine" thing as it even requires a different form.
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FIOA request anyone ....

Also, it would be limited to over 6000lbs GVWR right?
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FIOA request anyone ....

Also, it would be limited to over 6000lbs GVWR right?
If it was in a truck. Not to import an engine which is what most would do. I'm going to wait and see what EPA comes back with.
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If that turns out to be real, then the EPA lied to me on my Freedom of Information Act request, which is no small matter.
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There are folks here with a lot more time/ search skills than I have to check this out, but I found this curious.
A later model 110 Td5 came in for service and under the hood we find this decal (see image).
I did a little digging and the 40 CFR 88 comes up as EPA light duty truck regulations.
This decal looks like an original. It certainly could be made up, but...
Does this indicate that the Td5 meets 2002 EPA regulations?
I'm thinking perhaps you should be booted off the forum for posting this! oh the sleepless nights.
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If that turns out to be real, then the EPA lied to me on my Freedom of Information Act request, which is no small matter.
didnt you search for 300tdi??
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I'm thinking perhaps you should be booted off the forum for posting this! oh the sleepless nights.
Wouldn't be the first time we stirred the pot.

Perhaps it was the case that diesels of this type were exempt from testing in certain vehicles at the time? So Rover was able to make the decal even without an EPA test of the engine.

Doug should be able to sort it out.
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Very interested to see where this goes. A td5 engine would bring my 110 into this millennium for sure.
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