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Old March 12th, 2014, 03:24 PM
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See below the answer from Land Rover. Also, I donít think you answered my question as to where the vehicle is that contains this label.
Wow. Are they offering a reward for that information?
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From all that we've read and people we've talked to. You can put any engine into a vehicle as long as it is used exclusively off road.
I just meant getting the engine imported legally. I know people bring land rover Diesel engines in all the time, but I thought I heard it was not technically legal if newer than 21 years old.
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Old March 12th, 2014, 03:35 PM
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Wow. Are they offering a reward for that information?
I don't know where the truck is. If I did, that's not how I roll.
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Old March 12th, 2014, 04:03 PM
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I don't know where the truck is. If I did, that's not how I roll.
Thankfully it already went home to Bush Gardens.

Thanks for the research Doug. Doesn't sound like it opens up any new avenues.
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Old March 12th, 2014, 04:19 PM
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Thankfully it already went home.

Thanks for the research Doug. Doesn't sound like it opens up any new avenues.
Unfortunately not. I was very direct and told the guy I wanted to import and install a td5 setup in my 130. He went sideways with the whole diatribe about I would have to install the entire td5 setup as certified if it was certified.
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Wow. So what would motivate a shop like ECR to post up a photo of a customer's truck like this? Did the customer ask ECR to post this up on a public forum and take it to the EPA?
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Wow. So what would motivate a shop like ECR to post up a photo of a customer's truck like this? Did the customer ask ECR to post this up on a public forum and take it to the EPA?
I don't think there was any malice intended. I think it was a genuine attempt to provide some interesting and potentially beneficial information to the community. Framing the situation the way you did makes it appear as there was some evil mastermind plot to do harm to the owner of the "sticker" (since we never actually saw a truck).

At any rate, thanks for the leg work Uncle Doug.

Just to clarify:

- This has nothing to do with importing an engine on a pallet. (?)

- Currently the TD5 is not older than 21 years and that is the reason one could not install it in a road going vehicle in the US. (?)
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Wow. So what would motivate a shop like ECR to post up a photo of a customer's truck like this? Did the customer ask ECR to post this up on a public forum and take it to the EPA?
Yup, thank you will do.

It was done to see if by some chance a Td5 could be legally imported. If it could, that would then help the entire Defender community, especially Td5 owners, or those who want to import them, or Td5 engines for their Discos or whatever. Sadly it seems it is a dead end, but it was worth a shot for the community.
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I just meant getting the engine imported legally. I know people bring land rover Diesel engines in all the time, but I thought I heard it was not technically legal if newer than 21 years old.
You can declare it to customs as off road use only. I haven't tried it yet, so I can't say if it works every time. I'm going to try in a few weeks.
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Read first post.
I state that it could be "made up". I had no idea if it was legit or not, but if anyone can get to the bottom of it folks around here can, and looks like they did. Plus, who says we aren't working on a Bush Gardens vehicle and just exploring how they got them here...
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So another question.....

Could we import 2001 Defenders for off road use, using the Busch Gardens certification? Like if someone wanted one only to trailer to off road events and the like.
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So another question.....

Could we import 2001 Defenders for off road use, using the Busch Gardens certification? Like if someone wanted one only to trailer to off road events and the like.
Doug will know better than I, but from what little I know about it, anything that is a "road going vehicle", like a Defender is, can't then be declared as "off road only".
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Doug will know better than I, but from what little I know about it, anything that is a "road going vehicle", like a Defender is, can't then be declared as "off road only".
Makes sense. But I wonder how Busch gardens got away with it? Do they just consider it a "ride" and got land rover uk to go along and label it as such?

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/impo...nchor-14-60191

So I wonder about number 14 on this list.... Race car. Could someone legally import a Bowler Wildcat?
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Old March 12th, 2014, 05:52 PM
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There was an article in LRO or LRM about them. Part of the deal was Speed is limited to 15mph or similar. Wonder if they are still using them.
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Makes sense. But I wonder how Busch gardens got away with it? Do they just consider it a "ride" and got land rover uk to go along and label it as such?

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/impo...nchor-14-60191

So I wonder about number 14 on this list.... Race car. Could someone legally import a Bowler Wildcat?
Busch Gardens is a business. Likely accomplished in a similar way to how RoversNorth can drive around a brand new Puma all over the place.

This is turning more into a what's legal thread, which is already on this site.
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The agricultural/off road use only exemption is supposed to be limited to vehicles that were " never built by the manufacturer for on road use"

In other words if it was intended to be road legal by the manufacturer the answer is supposed to be no.
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Busch Gardens is a business. Likely accomplished in a similar way to how RoversNorth can drive around a brand new Puma all over the place. This is turning more into a what's legal thread, which is already on this site.
I think RN have their puma as a dealer demonstrator. If you want a defender puma get a dealership.
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The agricultural/off road use only exemption is supposed to be limited to vehicles that were " never built by the manufacturer for on road use" In other words if it was intended to be road legal by the manufacturer the answer is supposed to be no.
If you look at the vehicles they built they weren't designed to go on the road ...
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I think RN have their puma as a dealer demonstrator. If you want a defender puma get a dealership.
RN has to sell those trucks out of the country or re-export it after the period of time is up.

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