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Old February 24th, 2014, 09:52 PM
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Oddly I think I'd rather have the LS swap
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I don't think a FOIA request is necessary as all epa certs for my2002 are publically available. On that list, the only 2.5L engine certified is the one in the freelander (gas).

The question then becomes, are any engines allowed for import that "meet EPA" regs, but are not explicitly "certified" by the epa? If so, then there would be precedence, or so my strange brain thinks.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 08:20 AM
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If he comes back indicating it is indeed approved, td5 engines will be a legal retrofit into 25yr old trucks prior to importation.
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I was reading a copy of a letter from customs to a vehicle importer. It stated that the vehicle must be original or restored to original condition. It went on to say that a restoration by definition meant returned to original condition. This concluded that the vehicle must be the same specification as it left the factory. It stated that updating the engine, gearbox, axles, body panels or converting from RHD to LHD was not restoration. Any of the above rendered the vehicle unsuitable for import.
I would imagine that you could probably import the engine if that met the regs and retro fit it to a 90/110 already in country...

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Hi,
I was reading a copy of a letter from customs to a vehicle importer. It stated that the vehicle must be original or restored to original condition. It went on to say that a restoration by definition meant returned to original condition. This concluded that the vehicle must be the same specification as it left the factory. It stated that updating the engine, gearbox, axles, body panels or converting from RHD to LHD was not restoration. Any of the above rendered the vehicle unsuitable for import.
I would imagine that you could probably import the engine if that met the regs and retro fit it to a 90/110 already in country...

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I asked the same question as that was my impression as well, but Doug said that is not correct...I really thought that was the case as well (but apparently I was wrong):


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Where this will play with imports is that IF he comes back indicating it is indeed approved, td5 engines will be a legal retrofit into 25yr old trucks prior to importation.
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My understanding is that even if it's a compliant motor, but wasn't the "original configuration" it left the factory with, that it wouldn't fly for import?
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Old February 25th, 2014, 02:28 PM
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I think the difference is that is the replacement engine is EPA certified and newer than the vehicle, it is okay.
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I think the difference is that is the replacement engine is EPA certified and newer than the vehicle, it is okay.
Exactly, which is why it is a choice on the entry form. I think the letter referenced above was incorrectly attributed to US Customs where it most likely was from DOT's Import Dept. I deal with three different agencies on a regular basis. US Customs doesn't do opinion letters, they do seizure letters. When I ask for permission/opinion on a questionable vehicle before shipping to the US I ask DOT and EPA, not Customs. Customs role is to enforce EPA and DOT's rules @ the borders and ports of entry. When questioned they defer to those agencies.

DOT is strictly safety. Since these vehicles aren't anywhere close to current standards DOT is adamant that updates (even ones that make a vehcile safer) cannot be made if you are asking for the 25yr exemption, the truck and all associated bits need to be 25 or @ least original spec. Seats, seat belts, window glass codes, different spec doors, alloy wheels, brake and suspension mods are all area's where DOT has taken issue with defenders and can and has denied entry.

DOT has no say over what's under the hood, that is EPA's domain. In short the engine has to be what the truck was built with or an EPA approved engine. It cannot be a 21yr old non- approved engine even through we allow any engine over 21yrs old to be imported by itself.
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Round up the $500.00 D2's with bad engines I see diesel D2's everyplace if this works out as legal. :-)
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I finally drove a TD5 and I think its quite the smooth little engine. I would love to have one in a D2.
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I don't think I could ever justify the cost of a 300 tdi swap, but a TD5 would be worth the expense.
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So a hypothetical scenerio:

1984 110 on a the original chassis with a 2001 NAS spec v8, would be a legal import?
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So a hypothetical scenerio:

1984 110 on a the original chassis with a 2001 NAS spec v8, would be a legal import?
yes with all the emissions/evap stuff like charcoal canister, 4 o2 sensor cats, fuel neck, etc in place ie- full obd2 setup installed
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So a hypothetical scenerio:

1984 110 on a the original chassis with a 2001 NAS spec v8, would be a legal import?
Where would you get a 2001 NAS spec V8 that has been installed in a Defender?
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hmmm…doesn't that change it from it's original factory configuration?

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Where would you get a 2001 NAS spec V8 that has been installed in a Defender?
That's what I thought, hence why asked about a configuration that was not available. If I'm understanding this, it didn't need to be installed a Defender. As long as the engine is a EPA type accepted engine. Right?
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Old February 25th, 2014, 08:38 PM
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Virginia

Well Gems anyway not so sure about the value in a motronic swap
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While anything is possible with enough time and money, I have yet to see a Defender with a DII motor. Drew and I have talked about putting a DII drivetrain with ABS/TC/HDC in a Defender, but that would be a lot of work, and probably not worth it.
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just using it as example, not going to do it or have any ambition to even think about it...
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hmmm…doesn't that change it from it's original factory configuration?

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That's what I thought, hence why asked about a configuration that was not available. If I'm understanding this, it didn't need to be installed a Defender. As long as the engine is a EPA type accepted engine. Right?
Engines are approved as a class with all associated systems. See Ron from Epa's remarks above. The limiting factor is would it be worth it to install 2000+ electronics and evap controls in a defender ? No. Issue would of course be who the hell would certify that the job was done correctly in writing for it to pass muster on import. Lets stick to cool diesels.

Always playing devils advocate Frank....
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Engines are approved as a class with all associated systems. See Ron from Epa's remarks above. The limiting factor is would it be worth it to install 2000+ electronics and evap controls in a defender ? No. Issue would of course be who the hell would certify that the job was done correctly in writing for it to pass muster on import. Lets stick to cool diesels.

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While anything is possible with enough time and money, I have yet to see a Defender with a DII motor. Drew and I have talked about putting a DII drivetrain with ABS/TC/HDC in a Defender, but that would be a lot of work, and probably not worth it.
Maybe a P38, I don't know the bracket differences

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