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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:30 PM
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Symptoms of a dieing clutch....

Hello wise Defenderers. What are the symptoms of a dying clutch? And is there a why to tell if its dieing or just very low on MTF?
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Old May 12th, 2013, 12:12 AM
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Lots of symptoms for dying clutches, failing slave and master cylinders etc but it might be easier of you say what's wrong with your truck and people can tell you what they think it is.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 03:55 PM
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My daily commute is short- 2 miles. So its hard to say as i dont really drive it much more that that. What it just started to do is not going into 1st...

When this happens Ill put it into 2nd with the clutch engaged and than try 1st. But no luck. Usually letting the clutch out and putting the clutch back in and I can get it to go into 1st.

This is the biggest change ive noticed
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Old May 12th, 2013, 04:02 PM
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Sounds like the tranny not the clutch.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 05:06 PM
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Does it go in easy if you snick it into second and then first?
What part of the clutch travel does it disengage?
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Old May 12th, 2013, 09:57 PM
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When driving it after getting into first how does it shift through the gears? I just recently had to redo my entire clutch due to a broken spring on my clutch disc that was jammed in the pressure plate thus not allowing the clutch to fully disengage. But it effected every gear not just first.

Could be the synchros going bad in the tranny as well. Hopefully not.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 10:15 PM
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Old May 13th, 2013, 09:13 PM
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Im going to get the trany fluid changed tomorrow and report back. I remember reading somewhere that both gear oil or MTF is ok? Am i remembering wrong?
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Im going to get the trany fluid changed tomorrow and report back. I remember reading somewhere that both gear oil or MTF is ok? Am i remembering wrong?
Redline MTL. NOT gear oil.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 11:05 PM
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Lol! Yea not grea oil. I meant to say MTF or ATF?
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Mine on my 110 is on its way out. Symptoms are slipping when towing my off road caravan. Happens in first and second. Not so noticeable in 3rd and up without load can't really feel the slip. Trying starting you vehicle and pulling away in 3rd. If it stalls then not necessarily the clutch. If it does pull way and the revs rise before getting to speed then it's the clutch.
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Old May 26th, 2013, 01:58 PM
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Hi all. Im getting around to changing my fluids this wkend and I hit a snag. This is the bolt in the refill plug in my MT. Anyone know what I need to buy to get this out??

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Old May 26th, 2013, 02:41 PM
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Found the anwser at Harbor Freight!
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Finished chaining all fluids except the swivels this weekend. My transfer case was empty. I wonder if this was some of my problems before. Time will tell I guess.

The gearbox had ATF fluid in it. I replaced it with Royal Purple MTF as the stores near me didnt have anything else. The magnetic drain plug had its share of metal filings attached. Should I be concerned?

What do you think about the MTF vrs ATF results? With the MTF in my gearbox now I feel more friction in the stick as I shift into gear. Otherwise it deams ok, but the friction has me worried.

And also since my transfercase was empty, should I change the oil again in a month? Or just go the normal routine?

Thanks in advance!
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Finished chaining all fluids except the swivels this weekend. My transfer case was empty. I wonder if this was some of my problems before. Time will tell I guess.

The gearbox had ATF fluid in it. I replaced it with Royal Purple MTF as the stores near me didnt have anything else. The magnetic drain plug had its share of metal filings attached. Should I be concerned?

What do you think about the MTF vrs ATF results? With the MTF in my gearbox now I feel more friction in the stick as I shift into gear. Otherwise it deams ok, but the friction has me worried.

And also since my transfercase was empty, should I change the oil again in a month? Or just go the normal routine?

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I would go about fixing the leak in the t case that caused it to be empty.

MTF is a little harder when cold, but once it warms up it is fine and better. Some shavings in the trans is normal.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 03:21 AM
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Update: I have noticed that my trans shifts smoother now after a few days of use. As my daily commute is short - about 2 miles each way - I don't get much time in the drivers seat. Either way I'm happy that I went with MTF. It's definitely the better choice.

Does anyone know if Lucas makes an additive that is compatible with MTF?

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I would go about fixing the leak in the t case that caused it to be empty
I assume the leak is coming from the flat access panel. Is this panel the most common source of leaks? If I open the panel, do I need a gasket or do I use an adhesive/ sealant when closing t back up?
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I think you need to get in your truck and start driving it more. Two mile journeys are tough on vehicles.
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Today I drove it up to LA- about 30 miles.

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I would go about fixing the leak in the t case that caused it to be empty.
Whats the process on fixing the leak? As is it wnt dry after only 3 years on sitting in the rain.
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It's dying... it died ????????????

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What are the symptoms of a dying clutch?
Whats the process on fixing the leak?
The fact that you are asking questions and trying - developing a DIY attitude is a good start. You need to buy yourself a workshop manual that explains the work you intend to undertake, examine the job before you take it on and plan your attack. Start with figuring out where oil could leak from, and keep an eye on those points and read up on how to repair the leak. Then find the parts and when you are ready, get out the tools.

Using terms like dying clutch does not describe the problem.
If you want specific help, be prepared to supply specific information in the form of exactly what is happening.

Years ago, a guy I was working with got a call from his wife who said she parked the car and it had died.
My friend replied "let me get the number of the closest undertaker!".
When his wife got upset, he replied with "you said the car died".
He finally got her to accurately describe what was happening.
The vehicle wouldn't start, but was parked at the YMCA within 15 feet of an auto supply.
My friend asked his wife to go into the auto supply and ask for help.
Turned out she had left the lights on and the weak battery had quickly discharged.
She was on her way in less than 30 minutes with a new battery.

I have always remembered my co-workers response to "the car died" with "call an undertaker". Well you said it died...

Hope this helps.
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