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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:42 PM
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swivel ball seal parts

I think i need to replace the drivers side swivel ball seal kit, grease and upper and lower bearings. It seems like their are a few different kits and prices range from $26 to $40 To $46 to $85 on the high side. all have 12 parts to kit. are these all the same and should i buy the least expensive or what? also the bearings range from $13.99 to $65. is the brand Allmake ok. i just dont know the answer to these questions and i dont want to spemd more than i need to.

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Old January 4th, 2010, 10:23 PM
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Back in the '60s my Land Rover dealer pointed out that many of the bearings were made in the USA. I usually buy my bearings from a local bearing specialist. Back then the price from the bearing shop was about 25% of the dealer price.

Copy the numbers from the bearings (both race and cone, if they are tapered roller bearings) and take them to the bearing guys, or take the bearings themselves. They are pretty good at matching, if they don't have a direct replacement.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 07:46 AM
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Paddock Spares has the rebuild kits for £68.72 (part # FRC7065DEFKIT). That's 110 bucks for everything including the grease. You need one kit per side, so two kits for the front axle. Shipping will be about $30 from the UK to your door.

OOps that kit has the swivel balls included so will be quite a bit more for shipping.

For just the pins, bearings and seals try kit # FRC7065DEFKITNB for £13.45, quite a bit less.
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Paddock Spares £13.45, quite a bit less.
Remember, with price comes quality... paddocks/Britpart/beam ends etc etc can sometimes sell stuff that's made of cheese.

Genuine, or at least decent branded parts are much better (bearings you can get from your local bearing place, seals i'd get genuine IMO)
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Yes as Jamie says, things like swivel ball seals and bearings, buy genuine or with bearings, buy genuine or timken brand.
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Yes as Jamie says, things like swivel ball seals and bearings, buy genuine or with bearings, buy genuine or timken brand.
Or Torrington, which happens to be the example my dealer pointed out to me.
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I dunno, last time an order came in from paddocks the bearings were SKF, the seals were "Britpart" but appeared to be of good quality, and the TREs were Delphi. I don't think their stuff is any worse than the aftermarket stuff we get here in the US from the usual suspects. Genuine Land Rover parts are simply the same stuff in nicer boxes as far as I can tell. Rover doesn't really make much of that stuff anyway like bearings, springs, bushings, drive shafts and axles and all.

If you just need bearings there are several places on the web where you can get them. All you need is the part number from the bearing for cross reference. You may not get the same manufacturer when you buy new bearings. The market shifts a lot.
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As an alternative to the Internet, it's likely that most of us are within reasonable distance of a brick and mortar bearing supplier. Even here in Rhode Island I have my choice of several suppliers. I have always gotten seals at the same time as the bearings. The last time I bought bearings (a few years ago), the guy behind the counter was the same guy that was there in the '60s.
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so i was gonna do it myself but i started checking with shops (cause it looks like a pain)..... an off road specialty shop said they would charge $550 and use original factory bearings seal kit and grease from LR. A local specialty LR shop called "the rover shoppe" said between $400 and $500 and they would also use factory LR seal kit grease and bearings because aftermarket can cause problems.

Why couldnt a LR specialist shop tell me exactly how much the repair cost? you would think they do these repairs ever so often and have it down to an art.
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It's not a particularly complex or difficult job as these thing go, but to me it sounds like good money spent if they stick to the estimate.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 11:41 AM
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thanks everyone, im gonna attempt myself and one of the mechanics said hed come by and help if i had difficulty for a "nominal fee". lol
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so i was gonna do it myself but i started checking with shops (cause it looks like a pain)..... an off road specialty shop said they would charge $550 and use original factory bearings seal kit and grease from LR. A local specialty LR shop called "the rover shoppe" said between $400 and $500 and they would also use factory LR seal kit grease and bearings because aftermarket can cause problems.

Why couldnt a LR specialist shop tell me exactly how much the repair cost? you would think they do these repairs ever so often and have it down to an art.
Not a common job at all to do. Most people just let them leak.
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Hotrod,

I just did this myself. Not too difficult. I was able to replace all the seals except the one in the stub axle. My axle is the older model with a bronze bushing. Couldn't get the bushing out. Just go slow and mark all your parts. This helped me a lot:

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=7546

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=5601

And I got all my parts from Rovahfarm. Hope that helps
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Hi Ron,
ya know, thats what i have been letting it do for a while now. The left and right both leak. although the drivers side tire is leaning in at the top quite a bit, so much now that the new tire(bfgs) is wearing a bit on the inside. At speeds of 30mph the wheel makes a whining noise and then goes away at 35 and up. I have been told bearing is definately the issue, but the ball leaks alot more on this side as well. I figure i ought to change it all if im gonna get dirty.

Went off road with my 2 yr old son today and just couldnt make my self lead with the drivers side tire, i just think im gonna break it even more so i gotta do something about it. it will cost me about $120 and probabaly 2 weekends but then ill know for sure if i ever want to do it again.

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Not a common job at all to do. Most people just let them leak.
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Thanxs Mudsux, i appreciate it!!
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Hotrod,

I just did this myself. Not too difficult. I was able to replace all the seals except the one in the stub axle. My axle is the older model with a bronze bushing. Couldn't get the bushing out. Just go slow and mark all your parts. This helped me a lot:

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=7546

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=5601

And I got all my parts from Rovahfarm. Hope that helps
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Old January 15th, 2010, 11:36 AM
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Question Update and question

Long story made short:
took to long to DIY so I took defender to "the rover shoppe". They quoted $4-500 for swivel kit and bearing. When they got in there they said swival housing was welded together to ball from heat and needed replaceing. I went by to see it and they showed me a clip inside the housing that couldn't be removed without deystroying housing/ball. They got the new housing and swivel ball from a disco and charged me $260 for parts. They said it's very unusual and I don't think they've ever seen this b4. They charged me $730 for everything and changed my oil with regular oil.

Does this sound fair, suspicious, am I a sucker? They seem real laid back and honest, but I wanted to see if their are any questions I should ask when I pick it up?
Let me know,
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Both sides? With replacing one side, new seals and putting everything back together PROPERLY, i'd say that was fair. Someone elses time is always going to cost you a bit.
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Just one side! New housing, swivel ball, seal kit, upper and lower bearings and grease and labor for$730.
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It's still just the price of paying for the help. Toyota FZJ80 front axle service is 1200 at a dealer, similiar to a rover setup but with grease packed CVs, but can be done at home for 125 bucks in parts.
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I recently went through the swivels on my Classic, I neglected to replace the lower swivel pin gasket/seal. Would itbe fine to remove the lower pin and replace the gasket leaving the rest of the hub intact?

If I recall this was back in May, when I was in the middle of the project my Brittany Spaniel was nearly killed by a pitbull. I was in a hurry to get the truck back on the road.
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