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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:21 PM
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Studs for Wolf Wheels

Where do I find wheel studs for wolf wheels? My older 110 has a set but the lug nuts can't thread all the way down. I understand OEM ones are spendy but is there someone making them here in the US?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 09:59 PM
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EBay UK has them usually. Around 27.99GBP for a set of 5 last time I saw them. Have not seen a set of 20 for some time, but can ask for discount on 4. About 25GBP to ship due to weight though
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I don't have the answer to your question, nor would claim to be an expert. However, I just bought a 110 with wolf wheels (they are more than robust and I love them!) and the previous owner (UK and ex-MOD guy) specifically had regular-length studs installed because apparently there is a tendency to over-torque Wolf wheels.

I'm simply relaying what I've heard from folks who have much more Defender experience than myself (in particular with Wolf wheels). FWIW

It does look strange with the face of the nut barely covering the stud, but aparently this is preferred.
Does anyone have a differing opinion?
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Old December 1st, 2011, 02:43 AM
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I don't have the answer to your question, nor would claim to be an expert. However, I just bought a 110 with wolf wheels (they are more than robust and I love them!) and the previous owner (UK and ex-MOD guy) specifically had regular-length studs installed because apparently there is a tendency to over-torque Wolf wheels.

I'm simply relaying what I've heard from folks who have much more Defender experience than myself (in particular with Wolf wheels). FWIW

It does look strange with the face of the nut barely covering the stud, but aparently this is preferred.
Does anyone have a differing opinion?
Before I went to HD front axels on my 110 I was running Wolf wheels with stock front studs and I never felt that it wasn't safe. A good 65-70% of the deep steel lug but threads were able to used and I felt that it was fine. It's nice to have the whole thing threaded now that I have the "alloy" studs which have that indicative line stamped into the head...which tells you that it is alloy wheel compatible. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it but if you can find a 24 spline front like a D1 with a HD set up your 110 will thank you! Good luck!
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Old December 1st, 2011, 03:02 AM
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From the factory there is no different in stud length from standard steel, alloy or the HD vented steel (aka "wolf") rim.
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From the factory there is no different in stud length from standard steel, alloy or the HD vented steel (aka "wolf") rim.
The factory NAS 110 1993 studs did not have the notch on the head and were too short for the Wolf rims. Most people order Rover part number FRC7577 to get the longer 60mm studs or you can simply get the slightly longer stud length found on the D1 or later Defenders. These had the 24 spline set up and not the 10 spline front. This is a very common issue:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130...-solution.html

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...s-doubts-41811
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Old December 1st, 2011, 07:39 AM
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I can't see wolf wheels being over torqued because of stud length. 100lbft is the same (for all intents) regardless of stud length. If anything it would be tighter on shorter studs because of less resistance to turning.

There have been a lot of threads on various forums about the wheel studs and Wolf wheels. Here's one:
http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=34407

I don't know how they are on your 110, but I've been running wolf wheels for about 10 years with the studs flush to slightly below the face of the lug nut and never had any loosen.
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I bought mine from Duncan at Britcar, shipping was not to bad as he uses Trans Global which checks for the best rate.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 09:21 AM
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The factory NAS 110 1993 studs did not have the notch on the head and were too short for the Wolf rims. Most people order Rover part number FRC7577 to get the longer 60mm studs or you can simply get the slightly longer stud length found on the D1 or later Defenders. These had the 24 spline set up and not the 10 spline front. This is a very common issue:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130...-solution.html

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...s-doubts-41811


Ah, I see. yes, over here all studs were the notched (alloy type) since about mid 1992 when the disk braked rear axle came in.
Zeus do an even longer stud, about 5mm longer than the notched version, but this seems overkill.

As a side note, a lot of the older military rovers are undergoing "project Tithonus" which is a H&S (health & safety) excercise coupled with life extension, so they're getting new roofs with built in rollcages (same as the Wolf XD has), new comfier seats, rubber soundproofing and HD steel wheels, This is on older vehicles with drum braked rear axles (and early 23 splined CV front axles) thus they'll have the non notched studs.

The MoD arn't having longer studs fitted, so (presumably?) after they've liased with Land Rover Ltd, it was determined that the non notched studs are fine to take the thicker steel of the wolf rim (especially as part of the overhaul process is to make the vehicles tougher and safer)
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Old December 1st, 2011, 10:13 AM
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Yea like I said I wasn't going to worry about the slightly less use of the threads on the nut. My point is that if you happen to change out the 10 spline front on the 110 then go ahead and drop in a more modern hub with the "alloy" studs. They just about come flush with the head of the nut with wolf rims. They are not the longer 60mm studs which some people do which in my opinion are overkill. I don't know what a stock NAS 110 has in the rear because mine already had an upgraded rear Salisbury with disc brakes and notched rear studs.
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As diesel_jim has posted above, the British Army have fitted Wolf rims to pre-Wolf Defenders and pre-Defender 90/110, using the original wheel studs.

I posted some info. about this on AuLRO, here -

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130...ml#post1471723

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There is a new prototype wolf wheel out. Need to find a picture
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There is a new prototype wolf wheel out. Need to find a picture
New British military Defenders use an alloy wheel. These: http://www.silverlinewheels-tyres.com/4x4/wheels/blindo
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New British military Defenders use an alloy wheel. These: http://www.silverlinewheels-tyres.com/4x4/wheels/blindo
I really like those. These are the wheels I was told are new prototype wolf wheels.
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The Blindo wheels I heard are the strongest wheel options available for a Land Rover. I'm not convinced on their styling though. Here is a pic in military application.



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Same thing as this?
http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-1...eel-black.aspx

I kinda like them
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I really like those. These are the wheels I was told are new prototype wolf wheels.
They look like the original Wolf prototype rims from the 90's



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Same thing as this?
http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-1...eel-black.aspx

I kinda like them
No, they're different rims.


The links above, from Red90 and NomaD110, are the correct 'Blindo' rims, like this -

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Ah maybe I read it wrong why we're they called prototype wheels? Are they the precursor to what is out now?
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Ah maybe I read it wrong why we're they called prototype wheels? Are they the precursor to what is out now?

They look like the rims fitted to some of the Wolf Trials/Prototype vehicles, back in the 90's.

I believe that there were another couple of different types of rim as well, before they settled on the style we now call the 'HD Rim' or 'Wolf Rim'.

The Dunsfold Collection - (http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/gallery.php) have a Wolf prototype fitted with rims similar to those you've pictured -

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Same thing as this?
http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-1...eel-black.aspx

I kinda like them


these are made by terrafirma

http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/product...cat=51&grp=363
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