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Old April 26th, 2016, 01:12 PM
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Stranded. Injector issue Mariposa CA

My injector is pushing diesel out at the base of the injector. Any words of advice before I get dirty? I am stranded here until I get it figured out. I have new crush washers so hopefully that will do the trick. Good advice appreciated. Oh and does there happen to be a DSource member in the near vicinity?
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Old April 26th, 2016, 01:13 PM
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Check that the nut that holds the nozzle on is tight.
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Check tight, little change. I have tightened all I feel comfortable doing.

Have basic hand tools and am trying to remove injector. Any ideas?
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Check tight, little change. I have tightened all I feel comfortable doing.

Have basic hand tools and am trying to remove injector. Any ideas?
If the injector is still in the head, you have not tightened the nozzle nut. It is as the end of the injector.

To remove, spray penetrating oil down the sides, put a large wrench on the flats and work back and forth while pulling up with the injector pipe on loosely. If they are really bad, you need a slide hammer, but this usually works.
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Bad pic but not leaking where pipe attaches to top. Base of injector.

It's budging but not close yet. Thanks for helping. Much appreciated.
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Possibly just a bad injector seal? They are a small copper crush washer with a ridge in it that fits in the bottom of the hole for the injector.

If you can't find one locally (check diesel and truck shops) maybe a soft copper washer would work for the time being?


They look like this

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Drew,

Is it getting worse? I'm about the same distance as Jeff, I have some washers if you can't find them locally. supposed to rain tomorrow... Or if you decide to continue on I could let Badvibes know to get you one.

Also I just checked Tioga Pass is closed for snow as is 89. The closest pass open is 88 to your north and 178 or 58 to the south. I would recommend 58 as it's faster if you go south. 88 and 178 are much prettier.
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Drew,

Is it getting worse? I'm about the same distance as Jeff, I have some washers if you can't find them locally. supposed to rain tomorrow... Or if you decide to continue on I could let Badvibes know to get you one.

Also I just checked Tioga Pass is closed for snow as is 89. The closest pass open is 88 to your north and 178 or 58 to the south. I would recommend 58 as it's faster if you go south. 88 and 178 are much prettier.
Yeah if I can help let me know. I'm not a diesel guy but I know a couple. Not sure what parts are available locally but there is an LR dealer and Southwest Rover that may have something.
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Plan is to leave for Moab Fri morning. Plan B is to leave Thur night.
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Drew, you alive, mon?
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Bad vibes and ignotus. Thanks so much for being willing to come to my rescue. I would expect no less from you two. True Rover fellas. I got back on the road after a few stressful hours and made it home this afternoon. Without issue I might add. I am driving it to Moab, crazy I know, tomorrow. Jeff you will see it at camp. Where I can fill you in on the long story. Gene I will send you an email next week. Having to work on it, mid travel gave me more confidence in my ability to fix stuff that can and will go wrong. I now really understand why people take these things around the world. After this weekends travel I will be addressing fuel delivery components. Thanks again guys!!!
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Cool. Good to hear you found a way. It is character building to fix/find solutions to deal with breakdowns and keep rolling under your own initiative. Good job. There will be congratulatory barleypops in Moab!
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Bad pic but not leaking where pipe attaches to top. Base of injector.

It's budging but not close yet. Thanks for helping. Much appreciated.
From the looks of the injector you need to replace it.
You can see where the top portion of the metal is distorted (dicked up out of shape).
I don't know why, but many of the exchange injectors we get back are ruined because someone chewed up the area where the spill over lines banjo is bolted to the face of the injector.
This could be another source of your leak.

Were you able to get the old crush washer out?
You probably loosened the injector housing and tightening it up again which will ruin it as well.
The injector can only be rotated in a clockwise direction and please everyone, use a wrench to get it loose enough to remove not vice grips, and please keep the wrench below the area where the spill over banjo attaches.

I see it all the time and can't get good 200TDI injector cores.
People destroy them taking them out.
That's why we have a core charge.
3 of the 4 injectors in the pictures below failed the banjo spill over crush washer seat test.
The one on the far right is so chewed up, we didn't bother to test it.
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From the looks of the injector you need to replace it.
You can see where the top portion of the metal is distorted (dicked up out of shape).
Ouch, Yep, I did that. Didn't know better, and that is probably why you get bashed up injector cores. Good information to have had. I watched a British youtube video (I know) and they showed rotating it back and forth, which is what I tried. PSA to those at home, don't watch British Youtube videos! LOL, just kidding.

Never got it out. Seems my caveman approach stopped the leak. Next stop a diesel shop to work through the system and injectors. I don't have the proper tools, or experience to do it myself. This is my first diesel, I have had gas for years and learned how not (generally) to screw those up.

Hopefully when they go looking for parts they will either let me supply them (injectors from you) or at least let me direct them where to go. I still need to install sedimentor and electric pump. I will probably do all that before I take ti to them, the fuel lines are a hodge-podge as well.
Thanks again.
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Glad you made it back home Drew...
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