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Old January 2nd, 2009, 04:48 PM
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Hello,
I'm a newb... I have tried searching. All I found were threads saying that D90 is a much better choice than the Rubicon. I know that already!

What do you folks think about getting a stock D-90 that hasn't been offroaded, needing lots of $$$ for upgrades (lockers, tires, bumpers, lift, etc), versus getting a totally built D90 that has been thrashed a bit? Considering the same price for both trucks, which is the best value in your opinions?

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Old January 2nd, 2009, 05:57 PM
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If you are going to off-road it, buy one already built up... Just make sure it is set up as close to the way you want it, so you don't have to re-do a bunch of stuff. Then you would end up wasting more money. Also, make sure that it is has been set up correctly, with good quality components and a good clean installation.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 07:09 PM
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Many trucks I see generally lack the attention to detail I like. I think most people that go the extra mile in the details keep thier trucks. I am sure you can find a "modded" truck that would be a good start, but you might also be inheriting someone elses headache... If you are going to "thrash" it why not just go ahead a buy a beater and save some potential heartache? A 90 can be as good as a Rubi just needs a little help.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 07:22 PM
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For the use you have indicated; buy a truck that already has the off road modifications..
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 10:09 PM
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I would not automatically assume that a modified truck has been 'thrashed'. Most Defender owners I know have great pride in their trucks and take care of them accordingly. The modified trucks can run more advanced trails without breakage or damage. I say 'most' as there are exceptions. I know of two trucks here in Colorado for sale that are heavily modified (locked up, suspension mods, with 37s and 35s) which have been well taken care of. If your end state is a very capable D90, then no doubt the best value for the money is to get one already modified. HTH. Mark
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back in 2005 I bought a truck that was already built up, thinking that way I wouldn't have to take the hit on the accessories. I bought it off somebody who seemed generally well regarded by the community, and who seemed to genuinely know the trucks. Biggest mistake ever. I spent absurd amounts of money fixing what he half assed.

Moral of the story- if the truck has been molested, make sure to take the time to check it out and make sure it was done 100% correctly, or you can end up paying out the ass. Make sure the mod's arn't too half assed or home brewed. Make sure gearing and suspension is well thought out, make sure everything was modified safely. Make sure, if they tapped into the wiring harness, it was done correctly.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 07:33 AM
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back in 2005 I bought a truck that was already built up, thinking that way I wouldn't have to take the hit on the accessories. I bought it off somebody who seemed generally well regarded by the community, and who seemed to genuinely know the trucks. Biggest mistake ever. I spent absurd amounts of money fixing what he half assed.

Moral of the story- if the truck has been molested, make sure to take the time to check it out and make sure it was done 100% correctly, or you can end up paying out the ass. Make sure the mod's arn't too half assed or home brewed. Make sure gearing and suspension is well thought out, make sure everything was modified safely. Make sure, if they tapped into the wiring harness, it was done correctly.

What I was getting at
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There is a line between modded and trashed. Having gone down the modded and trashed roads, I now like stock and rust free.

This is probably different on the west coast (but maybe not). For me I can go most places I want to go in a bone stock truck (even an LWB with non-MT tires) and can go pretty much everywhere with lockers and MTs and maybe a mild lift. Beyond that you really start trading off on road performance which is what I really like.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 12:31 PM
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There is a line between modded and trashed. Having gone down the modded and trashed roads, I now like stock and rust free.

This is probably different on the west coast (but maybe not). For me I can go most places I want to go in a bone stock truck (even an LWB with non-MT tires) and can go pretty much everywhere with lockers and MTs and maybe a mild lift. Beyond that you really start trading off on road performance which is what I really like.
Thanks for all of the comments. I like the above response that pretty much sums up most of your responses. Lockers, wench, skids, sliders, & Muds are a must for me, but beyond that can get to be overkill. What brought up my original post was this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...%3AIT&viewitem=

which seems to be quite a rig. However, to me, the 36" tires kind of takes it out of the "daily driver / expedition" type vehicle that I am looking for.

I like this one, too:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...eferrerid=4724

However, I would like a manual transmission (just for the fun factor), unless there is a good reason not to have one.

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Old January 3rd, 2009, 12:41 PM
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Somewhere in the mid to upper 20's depending on condition and mods.
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Also, my definition of "daily driver" is much different than most. I don't care how bumpy, noisy, leaky, poor fuel efficiency, etc. However, I do like the on road manners like ingress / egress, some kind of acceleration, okay steering, etc. (hard to describe I guess).
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Get a built up one. A nice clean stock one and mods are going to go over budget probably. You can have mine for 40k
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Old January 26th, 2009, 02:18 PM
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Well, I pulled the trigger over the weekend and bought this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...%3AIT&viewitem=

I guess I went with the "built" option. A little over built, actually... But, I love the thing. I drove it from Minneapolis to Virginia over the weekend. Man, it was frickin' cold up there. Now, I have a full appreciation of the differences between the soft top and the hard top (I still like the soft top, though).

I'll post a new thread with some NEWB questions.
Cheers and thanks for all of your input.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 02:26 PM
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That is a really nice truck... esp. with the under drive and lockers. I would add the other two lights in the mix to complete the look.
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"No corners cut, no cost spared"

...except for a crappy Rovers North knock-off of a Badger Coachworks top that's already busting seams. Wonder what other corners he cut...
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"No corners cut, no cost spared"

...except for a crappy Rovers North knock-off of a Badger Coachworks top that's already busting seams. Wonder what other corners he cut...
Now, now, now, let's be nice. Buying a POS top doesn't mean he cut corners. He just put $$ in the right places. It looks like a sweet rig and congrats - welcome to the club!
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Originally Posted by Lriwater
Well, I pulled the trigger over the weekend and bought this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...%3AIT&viewitem=

I guess I went with the "built" option. A little over built, actually... But, I love the thing. I drove it from Minneapolis to Virginia over the weekend. Man, it was frickin' cold up there. Now, I have a full appreciation of the differences between the soft top and the hard top (I still like the soft top, though).

I'll post a new thread with some NEWB questions.
Cheers and thanks for all of your input.
Chuck
Welcome Chuck! I'm sure you are just giddy with the new toy, congratulations! I wanted to ask though, does it have a three link front suspension? There is no mention in the e-bay listing's details, but it mentions a SG heavy duty cross member, and RoverTym Offset radius arms, which seem contradictory (since there is no need for the HD cross member without a three link, and no radius arms with a three link).

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"No corners cut, no cost spared"

...except for a crappy Rovers North knock-off of a Badger Coachworks top that's already busting seams. Wonder what other corners he cut...
Listing says it is a stock Bestop (and it looks like it to me), mentions a Rovers North Surrey top though. Are they knockoffs of Badger's products too?
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I wanted to ask though, does it have a three link front suspension? There is no mention in the e-bay listing's details, but it mentions a SG heavy duty cross member, and RoverTym Offset radius arms, which seem contradictory (since there is no need for the HD cross member without a three link, and no radius arms with a three link).
Well, I am learning about this truck as I go, but the general idea of it from the guy that built it (Eric) is that the heavy duty cross member is stronger and sits a little higher in the truck.
The radius arms are Rovertym heavy duty castor corrected radius arms. They bring the castor back into spec after lifting the truck and extend the front end a little to make room for larger tires.

The truck seems to run great and everything SEEMS to work (for now...). I'm sure that will change... Along those lines, is there a good source for a Field Service Manual (shop manual)?

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