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Old August 25th, 2010, 09:13 AM
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When you want to turn on the engine when it's in neutral... which one is you:

1) Turn key, engine turns on

2) Press in clutch, turn key, engine turns on

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Old August 25th, 2010, 10:10 AM
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If I'm in the drivers seat: #2

If I'm standing outside the truck I'll physically confirm it's in neutral then #1
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Old August 25th, 2010, 12:52 PM
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The reason for the question...

Friends of mine who drive stick shift (infiniti and hondas) are saying you should HAVE to push the clutch to turn on the engine, Neutral or Not.. and they're saying something must be wrong with my 90 if I can turn the car on (while in neutral) but without pressing on the clutch.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 12:55 PM
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The reason for the question...

Friends of mine who drive stick shift (infiniti and hondas) are saying you should HAVE to push the clutch to turn on the engine, Neutral or Not.. and they're saying something must be wrong with my 90 if I can turn the car on (while in neutral) but without pressing on the clutch.
Nothing wrong with your D90. It's deisgned to start in gear for wheel'n purposes...

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Old August 25th, 2010, 01:12 PM
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Many trucks have a clutch safety switch that can be bypassed by pressing a button. Toyota for example. Older cars and trucks may not even have this option at all and the vehicle can be started without having the clutch pressed in. More newer cars and trucks do have this, though.

The safety switch is designed so that no one accidentally jumps into a vehicle with a manual transmission, turns the key, and have the vehicle lurching into something....like another car or building.

Nothing wrong with your Defender. It just has one less part to fail.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 01:57 PM
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Old August 25th, 2010, 02:42 PM
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If i'm sat in it, i usually press the clutch in. defenders don't have a safety cut-out on them, but for me it's force of habit for safetys sake, and from tractor driving where most ones you need to clutch-in to start, and my sisters kawazaki 500 bike you need to pull the clutch in too.

Also (but to a lesser extent), having the clutch in saves the starter a slight bit of extra load, i.e. not having to spin some of the gears in the 'box, especially if it's cold and the oil is thick.
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Get in car. Grab stickshift and wiggle to confirm in neutral. Turn key. No pressing the clutch until after it starts. I do this in all my cars AND I always use the ebrake so when I do screw it up and try to start in gear, it just stalls out rather than lurching forward.

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Old August 25th, 2010, 03:04 PM
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One disadvantage of starting with the clutch depressed is that it tends to exert a forward force on the rear main thrust bearing while there little oil pressure.
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These friends of yours are the ones that all of the safety and warning labels are made for.
LOL Exactly!
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If I'm in the drivers seat: #2

If I'm standing outside the truck I'll physically confirm it's in neutral then #1
Same here.
Having ever only owned manuals, I sometimes even try to depress the clutch in my wife's ZF D1.
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One disadvantage of starting with the clutch depressed is that it tends to exert a forward force on the rear main thrust bearing while there little oil pressure.
Hum, never even thought of that. Is that really a concern? Never heard this one before. Is that specific to LR/Buick/Jag V8 engines or across the board?
On diesel engines, I depress the clutch to help the engine start. On gasoline engines, I do it when the battery is low or when it's cold(ish) outside, and seldomly at any other times.
My father (my reference probably for my entire life) taught me those things, they are probably derived from tractor experience/life.
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I do this in all my cars AND I always use the ebrake so when I do screw it up and try to start in gear, it just stalls out rather than lurching forward.

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