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Old April 7th, 2013, 05:47 PM
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Starter Problem?

Hi,
I am a complete novice. My 1985 ex military Defender isnt starting.
I have ruled out the battery and the starter is getting 12v. It almost turns over but never really gets it done.
Any suggests on where I should look next?
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Old April 7th, 2013, 05:56 PM
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Gas or diesel?
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Old April 7th, 2013, 06:07 PM
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Old April 7th, 2013, 06:41 PM
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Have you tried jumping it? Just because your battery is showing 12v doesn't necessarily mean the battery is getting the amps needed to really crank.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 07:13 PM
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Yes, sir.
I had my disco hooked up to her with industrial cables and the same results.
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Try connecting the jumper cables, from a battery that actually starts a car, to the pos terminal on the starter and one of the mounting bolts, then jumper to the solenoid. If it doesn't crank then, it's likely the starter.
If does crank, then you have wiring problems between the battery and starter, either in the pos circuit, or the earth.
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Old April 9th, 2013, 09:13 AM
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I will try jumping it directly when I get home tonight.

Long story short, between her running and now (2 weeks) I think someone might have tried to start her up cold. Would trying to start her cold, without giving the heating plugs an opportunity, cause damage after a few attempts? If so, where should I look.

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Here is a recording of what she sounds like when I try to start her.
Jump to :20
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I would Jump it for sure as it sounds the battery is not putting out enough juice.

And if it is not starting then it could be the solenoid is acting up a little.

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Long story short, between her running and now (2 weeks) I think someone might have tried to start her up cold. Would trying to start her cold, without giving the heating plugs an opportunity, cause damage after a few attempts? If so, where should I look.
Not necessarily. Depends on how long they tried. Excessive cranking can overheat and damage a starter. But you'd have to crank a good length of time. I've put a dead vehicle in 1st and cranked it in gear to move it off the road, without damage.
Continuing to crank when it will barely turn over is a lot more likely to damage a starter.

To clarify my previous post, I meant if you know for a fact the battery is good. You don't say how/why you've ruled out the battery.
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I would Jump it for sure as it sounds the battery is not putting out enough juice.

And if it is not starting then it could be the solenoid is acting up a little.

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To clarify my previous post, I meant if you know for a fact the battery is good. You don't say how/why you've ruled out the battery.
He already tried jumping it. This clearly sounds like lack of power to me, you can hear the solenoid clicking on and off due to lack of "umph".

I would double check the ground straps between the battery and the chassis, and the chassis and the engine. If one of them comes loose, you don't get good power to the starter.

If you jump it directly to the starter and it works fine, then ground is what you look at next.
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He already tried jumping it. This clearly sounds like lack of power to me, you can hear the solenoid clicking on and off due to lack of "umph".
Right. But bad cables and/or connections can eventually kill a good battery. It's a reasonable start, but isn't conclusive proof. I've been burned too many times by making assumptions. Otherwise I agree, that's why I suggested bypassing the Rover wiring entirely to rule out the starter, or not.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:48 AM
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Thank you everyone for all the help!
I was able to isolate the problem as a bad ground. When I grounded the starter directly to the negative terminal on the battery with the jumper cable, she would start right up. I went back and re-cleaned all the grounds. She is now starting like a champ.
Thank you again!
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