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Old February 3rd, 2016, 05:54 PM
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starter misery (200tdi)

Hi folks,

Living in rainy misery today I went out and tried to start my truck for the first time since November, and I got the dreaded "solenoid click, starter does not turn" issue.

I did the following troubleshooting:
1. Banged on the solenoid and starter motor. No effect.
2. Directly connected the starter solenoid to +12V. Click only, starter motor does not turn.
3. Bypassed the solenoid. I directly connected a jumper cable to the starter motor power line. Sparks flew, starter motor does not turn.

Does this mean that my starter motor is toast? If so, any suggestions on what the replacement should be? The general consensus seems to be that Bosch > Valeo > Generic. Is there something better? Powerlites?

Thanks in advance,

Ed

PS - for the last 4 months or so before November, my starter was making a short gear-grinding noise just after ignition.
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 05:57 PM
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Hit up Robert Davis for one of his super duper bionic starters.
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 06:14 PM
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I opened one of my tdi starters up and it was packed with mud to the point that the springs pushing on the brushes were jammed. Cleaned it and it worked for another week or two.

X2 on Roberts high KW starters built in Israel.

That said any 2.5 natural or turbo starter will bolt in and get you rolling again.
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thanks guys

I'll remove and disassemble the starter, and report back. Otherwise I'll check with Robert once his starters come back in stock, or bolt in a cheapo 4-cyl starter.
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 06:33 PM
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I have a high torque british starter that i took out while trouble shooting what turned out to be a bad ground earlier this week that i would be willing to sell if you need one. The starter turns over the motor very fast.
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 10:33 PM
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I had a bunch of problems with the starter on my truck after I replaced the clutch. I found that I ripped the engine ground out by accident. Welded 2 sets of solenoid contacts before I figured out what was going on. Take an ohmmeter and check from the engine to the negative battery terminal. Should be a very low resistance.
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Sounds to me like your battery is dead.
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I had that thought as well dave - i tried the starter bypass with my crvs battery as well. No luck unfortunately, just sparks.

I actually checked the ground strap first...a couple of years ago i forgot to reconnect my engine ground strap and it caused a similar symptom. Although in that case, the starter still spun. Just not fast enough to start the engine.
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Note to self:

SOLENOID 12V FOR BOSCH, LAND ROVER, NISSAN, FORD, STARTER MOTOR AND ALTERNATOR PARTS


Voltage 12, OD 56.30, Total length 141.00, Coil bolt M8, OD/cover 49.30, ID/cover 26.95, B+ M8, Height/B+ 20.55, Kl. 50/mm 6.30, Coil bolt l. 8.25, Width/kl. 50 10.65, Drawing No20, No./terminals 3
FITS UNITS
BOSCH
0001218152 0001218812 0001218818
9000331201 9000331430 9000331203
CROSS REFERENCE
BOSCH 0331303665
BOSCH 0331303165
BOSCH 9330331002
LANDROVER STC1245
ZM ZM976
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Bosch 0 001 218 152

Prices are suspiciously low...motor city reman has new Bosch starters on sale for $130 shipped.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 11:58 AM
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Great list if cross references here: http://www.woodauto.com/Unit.aspx?Ma...Ref=0001218152
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A friend of mine runs a land rover / range rover specialty repair shop. Based on his experience, they are capable of stopping anywhere, anytime, at any cost.

I don't know about the brakes, only their unreliability.
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And the culprit is...a bad solenoid.

I disassembled the entire motor including solenoid, cleaned, reassembled, and tested with a car battery. The solenoid doesn't have enough strength to contract against the internal spring.

As a test, the solenoid will work if the spring is removed, but that doesn't really help much.

Motor seems to be fine.
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Old February 7th, 2016, 02:26 PM
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i think that Trevor at Rovahfarm has the solenoids separate
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If there is space in the back side of the wall you mount the clock on, going this route is something to consider.

https://www.batteriesplus.com/batter...finder-box-top
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A friend of mine runs a land rover / range rover specialty repair shop. Based on his experience, they are capable of stopping anywhere, anytime, at any cost.

I don't know about the brakes, only their unreliability.
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