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Old February 25th, 2012, 10:37 AM
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So I'm stuck in a garage in manhattan .... The car will start perfectly if left for a period .... Problem is is that the garage guys move my car ... Just before I arrive, manage to stall it every time, then the car won't start again ...

It will start to fire but as you keep trying ... It seems to flood and then no start is possible.

We left it overnight ... They moved it this morning and exact same problem.


Do I just need a new garage?
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Old February 25th, 2012, 10:55 AM
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Does it always flood after it stalls? Could be the PROM chip.

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Old February 25th, 2012, 11:22 AM
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So now it's started ... Runs perfectly .... But idle on first start seems to not control well. Hence I guess the garage stalling it when they but the powers steering load on as they move the car. All rotor, cap, leads, plugs are new ... Is their something else I should set after changing these components?
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Old February 25th, 2012, 11:40 AM
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Does it always flood after it stalls? Could be the PROM chip.

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This is a new problem for me .... It's been fine for years ... So it's probably not a prom issue.
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Old February 25th, 2012, 12:37 PM
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Do you smell fuel when it stalls out? You may have a badly clogged up fuel filter and could be starving it for fuel instead?
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Old February 25th, 2012, 12:52 PM
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Fuel filter is not that old ... And don't smell gas ... I've only recently done the service parts and not driven it much ... Only a few longish trips ... I'm wondering if the ECU needs to 'learn' the new settings ....

I don't have a problem starting it and keeping it running ... It's the workers at the garage that have the issue ...
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Old February 25th, 2012, 01:31 PM
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I suck at this, but relay maybe?
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In tank fuel pump, can you hear it running?
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Thanks Dennis ... yep that works ... pump is new ( a couple of years )

it's running perfect once it starts ..

that means everything works ... spark / gas / relay / ECU etc

the issue is when you stall after a cold start ... it's hard / impossible to re-start ... it's like it's flooded and leaving it 30mins or longer clears the issue.

hot re-starts are no problem.
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I'm not saying it's definitely the issue, but you should keep the PROM on the list of possibilities. The problem happens during a cold stall, right? The old PROM chip tells the fuel pump to keep pumping when the engine is cold, which leads to a flooding condition. The new chip righted that issue.

Your garage guys probably start it up and try to go without warming the engine up a bit, hence the stall. My truck will try to stall in that situation, but I know how to drive it.
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I was in the midst of chasing down a similar issue on the LWB before the transmission blew. Idled poorly and was difficult to start when cold. I have a feeling that I mis timed it off #2 instead of #1. I doubt that's your issue tho.
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