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Old February 5th, 2011, 05:00 PM
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ST window top to door seal

What's the trick to stop these from leaking? I just bought a new Series set from Safari Resto and they leak as much as the originals. I've lined them up and snugged down the window tops but they still leak.

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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:08 PM
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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:17 PM
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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:25 PM
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Thanks but that's not where it is leaking. It is leaking at the rubber seal where the door and the window frame assembly meets.

------ Follow up post added February 17th, 2011 11:30 AM ------

One of the Land Rover workshop manuals I read suggests the use of a product called dum-dum to seal weatherstriping, etc. Does anyone know where to get something like that, I assume it is some kind of putty and if it would suit this application? I'm tired of having my knee dripped on.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:31 PM
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You do have the rubber seal between the top of the door bottoms and the bottom of the windows, right?

Mine don't leak there...are your window tops screwed down as tight as they can be?
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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:33 PM
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Yeah that's the seal I'm speaking of.

They are screwed down about four turns over hand tight. Didn't want to use two hands on the wrench kind of pressure for fear of tweaking something.

The old seals leaked too but these are Series seals I bought from Safari Resto (Rover).
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One of the Land Rover workshop manuals I read suggests the use of a product called dum-dum to seal weatherstriping, etc. Does anyone know where to get something like that, I assume it is some kind of putty and if it would suit this application? I'm tired of having my knee dripped on.
Look up 3M Strip Caulk. That is what dum-dum is.

It is odd that you have a leak there. Post up some pics of what your installation looks like and where it's leaking from.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:59 PM
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The drain holes in the window channels themselves are plugged.

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Old February 17th, 2011, 03:13 PM
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I assume when I take them off it will be obvious where these holes are and I can "snake" them out with something, yes?

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Either the drains in the door top are plugged, or the new seal does not have the cuts to allow the water out.
I saw one 90 where the customer had the seals on wrong and it then channeled water into the truck.
Water goes down the window, then out the bottom of the door top, then it needs to have a gap to flow out of. If you plug everything up with goo it will just leak more.

In the black 90 its hard to see but there are 3 gaps that allow water out (these are under the drain holes in the door top).
The red 90 has the older style seal, but if you look close you can still see the 3 gaps.
1 shot of a door top off to show what the drain holes and the seal need to look like.
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Thanks! I didn't make these cuts.
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Never knew what those cut outs were for in the weather stripping - thanks ECR!
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O.K. so I made these cuts and really snugged them down. I'm still getting minor leaks when I dump a little water in the track. The water does pour out of the new openings and out down the outer door skin but also comes in around the seals a little. I guess these just leak.
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O.K. so I made these cuts and really snugged them down. I'm still getting minor leaks when I dump a little water in the track. The water does pour out of the new openings and out down the outer door skin but also comes in around the seals a little. I guess these just leak.
No they don't leak if they are set up correctly.
Your cuts at the ends look too small.
If you are using some oddball seal then perhaps it is too thin. You need a seal that has a gap so that the water can get out.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 09:38 AM
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Do you sell the proper D-90 seals? These again are Series seals. I was told that they were all that was available. If so I'll buy a pair from you.

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No they don't leak if they are set up correctly.
Your cuts at the ends look too small.
If you are using some oddball seal then perhaps it is too thin. You need a seal that has a gap so that the water can get out.
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I too struggled to get my door top bottoms to seal. What I discovered is the seal can ripple in the middle causing a void allowing water to run along the top of the door bottom and drain out the stud bores and the end of the doors.

My solution was to fill the cavity in the middle of the door top bottom with a dense rubber and have voids for the drain holes. This keeps the oringinal L/R seal from rippling and creates a great seal, no more leaks.

I'm on the road now...I'll follow-up with pitures tomorrow.

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Here are the pix:
1- I installed o-rings to the SS studs I made. This will keep the water from leaking down the studs. Also, I cut a section out from each stud washer to allow drainage if water got past the seals and coated the studs with antiseize for good measure.

2- With 3M glass puddy, I filled in the recessed grooves along the length of the dor top.

3- Installed rubber strips along the groove. This will keep the door top gasket from rippling.

4- Installed zip ties inside the outer edge. This will lean the top to inward just enough to provide a unform seal along the side and the top edge.

I did this years ago and meant to post in on the projects section. It has worked well. I have no leaks from my door tops period

Hope this helps...

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My seals are a little different but thanks. I'll try these ideas.
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