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Old November 13th, 2009, 12:17 PM
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Spring Cones - Where to get?

Looking for a set of rear spring dislocation cones/guides. Was looking at the Equipe ones from Justin, but he's out of stock and won't get them in until late next week. Tried RoverTym but can't get anybody to respond. RockWare makes some but they look pretty flimsy compared to others.

Need to install some no later than Sat 21st for a run the following day.

Who else makes them?

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Old November 13th, 2009, 02:38 PM
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Try Rovertym again...I've talked to them several times this week.
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Old November 13th, 2009, 03:03 PM
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I have Rockware and I've never had a problem and I wheel my truck... I know the guys at RoverTym and their stuff is really good, and easy to deal with.
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Old November 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM
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Thanks Guys. I like the look of both the Equipe and the RoverTym ones.

I wil try RoverTym again. Sent them a couple of emails and tried to call a couple of times in the last 10 days or so but had no answer.

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Old November 13th, 2009, 04:55 PM
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Old November 13th, 2009, 05:36 PM
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I have a used set of rockware you can have for cheap.
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Old November 13th, 2009, 06:37 PM
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Equipe without a doubt

Did you ask justin if he has the Lucky 8 for the rear already ( I had the first set of front ones he produced )
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Old November 13th, 2009, 09:19 PM
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I'd suggest getting spring retainers unless you like the clanging sound as you crawl over things - it sounds like something is really going on in the rear.
I've had both types and for me the retainers win hands down,
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Old November 13th, 2009, 09:27 PM
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If Ian doesn't want them I might. Not to poach!
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Old November 13th, 2009, 11:56 PM
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I hate cones having had them on a couple of trucks and I wheel like I stole it.
That said, I have problems dealing with Ben @ Rovertym,maybe its just me. Matt @ Rockware literaly rocks and his products are second to none.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 04:08 AM
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Sorry Tom, I need a set bad so I pm'd Ron to take him up on his offer.

Gustavo, Justin said he would have a set of Equipe rears in by late next week but I need them in my hands by Friday to install Saturday for a tricky run on Sunday so I have to go another way. He never mentioned a Lucky8 rear version.

Clark, I don't like the idea of spring retainers. Yes cones are noisy but retainers can hyper extend the spring and I don't like the idea of that for springs designed to work in compression. Cones will let me use the extra 3" or so of drop that my shock and extender set up will allow but the springs can't handle. But maybe I am overthinking that, it wouldn't be the 1st time.

Thanks for all the help and advice guys and thanks Ron for digging into your stash....

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No problem, I need the fronts more anyway.
I really wasn't trying to steal them out from under you(literally), I just figured if you didn't want them.
As far as the noise, is it constant or mostly when wheeling?
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The noise is only when you are off road. I have them in the rear and like that fact that I know what is going on based on what I hear.
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Thanks, I have enough noise on the road already.
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Ian.....

Why would hyper-extension be bad on the springs? I am curious and I don't know why it would be different than compression, although I've wondered about it many times.

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No problem Tom.

Like Scott if you know what the noise is then you can use it as an indicator to tell you what is going on. If the cones are designed/installed right and don't rub during normal flex then it is mostly only going to make a noise when your spring unseats and rubs against the cone on it's way down or up. So it 'should' only happen when your really flexing off road. During normal driving they shouldn't make much if any noise at all. The benfit being that you can have greater articulation without having to run a crazy lift. Doesn't lift the body of course but I think that's overated or even undesirable in most cases anyway as long as your tires fit under your fenders.....

Clark, I am not a 'spring engineer' by any means but just thinking of the way most springs work. Most springs are designed to work in a given direction. Either compression or extension. Some are designed for both of course but I don't think our suspension springs are. If you take a spring designed for compression and stretch it, you weaken it. It stretches from it's previous shape. Obviously our suspension springs are pretty tough and we are not stretching them that much, but over time I expect that we are weakening them if we keep stretching them.

The other problem with retainers for me is the limiting factor. They limit the amount of droop that your suspension may otherwise be capable of and they decrease the amount of pressure your wheel could be capable of placing on the ground and therfore your traction. A fully extended wheel may only have the weight of the unsprung components to provide down pressure but that still provides more traction than a wheel held off the ground or made lighter by the spring. It's only a matter of small degrees here of course, but sometimes that can make all the difference.

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Ian....

I've always thought the shocks were the limiting factor in how far the axle can droop.

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Ian, go with retainers. Cut strap steel and drill a couple holes for bolts and you are good to go. I rooted through the attic for over an hour and did not find them (I know I have/had three of them) but did find the extended upper mounts.
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Clark, the shock is the final decider on the amount of axel travel as long as the spring will 'stretch' enough. Even if it does though it is taking weight away which equate to less down force between the tire and the ground and therby less traction.

Ron, I pulled my extenders for now as the easiest temp workaround in case I can't get some in time. Thanks for looking. If you come across them, PM or email me.

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I recently install OME springs and shocks in the rear and planning to do the the front as well. I also got dislocation cones but will the OME shock even extend far enough to allow the spring to dislocate in the front or back? Does anyone know? It just struck me after I installed it. If the OME shock doesn't extend enough the cones are pretty much useless.
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