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Old September 19th, 2007, 12:33 PM
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Spicer u-joints confirmation and suggestions please

I Need new u-joints and I am a little confused from the research I've done.

According to the D90 Source "Parts Substitution Table" it lists Spicer 5-153x at the rear and Spicer 5-4x for the front.

After reading some posts it seems like the "Spicer 5-4x" fits front and rear.

My driveshaft is factory.

Can anyone confirm which part# I need and recomendations as to where to purchase?

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On the 1997 -> 1994 D90, the U-joints are the same front and rear. So I can't tell what model you need, but I'd assume a single Spicer part number would fit both ends.
Easiest is probably to take your shaft / U-Joint to the parts place!
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On the 1997 -> 1994 D90, the U-joints are the same front and rear. So I can't tell what model you need, but I'd assume a single Spicer part number would fit both ends.
Easiest is probably to take your shaft / U-Joint to the parts place!
Well it's not the 5-153x, it won't fit the rear shaft on a 1994.
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Mine used Precision 344's front and rear IIRC. But it's been a while, and I don't recall the Spicer conversion, everybody around here carries precision numbered stuff.

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Old October 24th, 2008, 04:22 PM
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Mine used Precision 344's front and rear IIRC. But it's been a while, and I don't recall the Spicer conversion, everybody around here carries precision numbered stuff.

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Ya I had heard the Spicer's were beefy and found a pair for cheap, but the 5-135x or whatever don't fit, so it looks like the Precision 344's is what the guy at the shop is going to order. Good news is I have a set of Spicers if anyone needs them. I think they do actually fit the old Bronco's from like 68-74.

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Depends on what year Bronco. I think it was 1975(?) that they switched from the Dana 30 to the Dana 44 front end.

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Spicer 5-4x good luck finding them [with the zirk in the cap]. IMHO Rockford makes a replacement as well but can also be hard to find.
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153 is a common domestic application for 4x4 driveshafts... it is however a little wide for the rear drive shaft for sure as I have tried to fit one!!! I had to help a defender owner one time on the trail when I had my Jeep out in Tellico. we made the 153 work to get him off the trail but I couldn't get the joint retainers to fit because the joint was too wide...
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Just go to Autozone. I just replaced all 4 at $17.95 ea. on my 94 ST. I can check the part number after I get home fromt the Monday night football game!!!! Go Titans!
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Napa carries the 344's. All mine are these (D90 and Disco II) and I like them. About $22.
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Are these the same joints used in the GBR driveshafts?
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Old October 29th, 2008, 12:43 PM
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Napa carries the 344's. All mine are these (D90 and Disco II) and I like them. About $22.
Does the 344's have crazy long zerks? The guy at the shop I use to press stuff ordered the 344's and put them in and all looks well, but the zerks are like almost a 1/2inch long. This is totally different than stock or really any zerk fitting I have seen.
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Okay, just throwing this out there. Not that it happened or anything, I just kinda thought that IF, you know, somebody (not saying me) ever happened to over torque the zerk on a Precision 344 u-joint and busted it off, you know, what would the thread pitch and size be so that he (or she) could tap it clean and put in a new one...you know...if it ever happened...in the future. Not that it did...you know...happen...to me.
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They have "universal" zerks you can pound in. may be easier.
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Pete maybe try a bolt extractor? It looks similar to a drill bit but with a reverse thread so as you undo it tightens and should be able to undo the piece broken off. If say a piece was broken off... just saying.
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Not sure of the years, but the 5-153x u-joint fits Series II, IIa, III and early Defender propshafts.
The 5-4x fits Series front axles and later Defender, and also Disco, propshafts.

1300 series u-joints
5-4x are 2.938" cap to cap and 1.063" cap dia

1310 series u-joints
5-153x are 3.219' cap to cap and 1.063" cap dia.

Spicer 5-4x cross to Precision 344 and Neapco 1-0005
Spicer 5-153x crosses to Precision 369 (or 380 if you want the zerk in the end cap) and Neapco 1-0153 (1-0154 with zerk in end cap)
I like the zerk in the end cap as it makes them easier to lube and, at least in theory, they are stronger.

Not widely known, but Spicer doesn't make the 5-4x any more, some other mfg makes them for Spicer.
The Neapco 1-0005 is also available at Advance Auto (and some other places) boxed as PDQ, but they are actually made by Neapco. The PDQ 1310's are not made by Neapco. This is based on phone calls I made to Spicer and Neapco.
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I picked up a PDQ 1-0154 u-joint from Advance Auto today just to check them out. They can be used in lieu of 1-0153 (Spicer 5-153x). The difference is the zerk is in the end cap on the 1-0154.
The good news is that they are in fact made in the USA by Neapco, unlike the PDQ 1-0153 which isn't.
The even better news is that they are $11.99, about 1/2 the cost of the Spicer or Precision 380.
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Tom,
Wow, that's a lot of numbers and names flying around, but great info. So, which one crosses with a Precision 344? Made in the USA is great, and zerk in the end cap is too but not necessary.
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I just ordered 153x's here for 12.50 a piece:
http://www.mdsdriveshaft.com/spicer_...sal_joints.htm

shipping is 9 bucks but it is only a dollar for every Ujoint there after.
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Tom,
Wow, that's a lot of numbers and names flying around, but great info. So, which one crosses with a Precision 344? Made in the USA is great, and zerk in the end cap is too but not necessary.
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I just ordered 153x's here for 12.50 a piece:
http://www.mdsdriveshaft.com/spicer_...sal_joints.htm

shipping is 9 bucks but it is only a dollar for every Ujoint there after.
That's a good price for Spicer, but the Neapco/PDQ 1-0154 are only $12 and no shipping. Plus the zerk is in the end cap which is nice on DC propshafts.
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