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Old August 2nd, 2010, 10:38 AM
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Spicer U Joints

What's better the sealed for life or greaseable Spicer u Joints? I'm leaning toward greaseable joints, but the guy at the local driveline shop is fairly adamant that they let muck into the joint when the joint is hot and you hit water/mud/ snow etc. Is that just an upsell technique?
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 10:54 AM
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What's better the sealed for life or greaseable Spicer u Joints? I'm leaning toward greaseable joints, but the guy at the local driveline shop is fairly adamant that they let muck into the joint when the joint is hot and you hit water/mud/ snow etc. Is that just an upsell technique?
Sealed for life. I like that...that's funny.
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Paul, hope you don't mind me piggy backing but what u-joints are you looking at? Part Numbers? I'm in the market for some as well and have had a bunch of problems sourcing them locally
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new shafts, Spicer 1310.
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The service interval for u-joints is every 5,000 miles or 3 months, whichever comes first. That's for "normal" use.
If you follow the correct service interval, including lubing them properly* (I'm amazed at how many people don't know how), then greaseable u-joints will last longer. Good intentions don't count.
If you don't do that, then sealed will last longer than serviceable u-joints.

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Paul, hope you don't mind me piggy backing but what u-joints are you looking at? Part Numbers? I'm in the market for some as well and have had a bunch of problems sourcing them locally
Spicer doesn't make the 5-4x u-joint anymore, which was the one for a stock propshaft.
You can get Neapco 1-0005 at Advance Auto Parts (boxed as PDQ) for about $14.
You can get Precision 344 at NAPA for about $25.
I like the Neapco for two reasons; they are cheaper, and the zerk is in the end cap, so I don't have to think about making sure I install them with the correct orientation as you do with the zerk in the valley of the cross.


*To properly lube you need to see new grease coming from around all 4 seals of the u-joint. Sometimes that can mean pumping in a lot of grease.
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Spicer doesn't make the 5-4x u-joint anymore, which was the one for a stock propshaft.
Really??? When I buy ujoints out of the UK, they sure come in a Hardy Spicer box... Got one in my hand right now.

Some numbers here: http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?sh...dpost&p=412434

The non-greaseable ones do seems to have better seals. Not really sure if there is a proper way to compare. Some people go through joints like underwear others have them last forever.

edit: Found the 5-4X dimensions here: http://www2.dana.com/Expert/wc.dll?hvtss~dedsec~4~5-4X~ They are certainly the same size as the Spicer Ujoint in my hand. It says on the box "Head Office GKN Driveline Ltd Birmingham England". Cast into the body is "GKN 7G".
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Given you have to removed the caps to install the joint, I fail to see how a non-greasable kind can last in harsh environments.
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Given you have to removed the caps to install the joint, I fail to see how a non-greasable kind can last in harsh environments.
I agree with Charles...of course, I am having a hard enough time finding some regardless of style! I have checked most of the stores locally to no avail and tried ordering some from Summit Racing (Precision 344) who said they had 5 in stock but I have since gotten a post card that they are expected to ship by the end of August! Who would've thought a "consumable" part would be so hard to locate unless you want to spend the bucks at a dedicated parts house
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I can't remember, but did you try the advanced auto in centerville? That's where I got mine last. Also NAPA or fairfax auto?
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Get the greasable 1310s without hesitation and keep them pumped full.
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Really???
Yep, really.
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When I buy ujoints out of the UK, they sure come in a Hardy Spicer box... Got one in my hand right now.
Hardy-Spicer in the UK (now owned by GKN) and Dana-Spicer in the US (sold their holdings in Hardy-Spicer a longtime ago) are two different companies.

The 5-4x is no longer made. At least as of about a year and a half ago. For the last several years DANA-Spicer sold them the actual manufacture was farmed out to other companies. I called Spicer last year and they didn't carry them on their books anymore, and hadn't for 6 months or a year.

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The non-greaseable ones do seems to have better seals. Not really sure if there is a proper way to compare. Some people go through joints like underwear others have them last forever.
I wouldn't say "better"...just different for different application. They are meant to not be serviced so need a tighter seal to keep out crud.
The seals are serviceable u-joints are right for the application. They are designed to allow you to purge all of the old grease out so you flush out any contaminants, so need to be more flexible. That's why you want to see new grease coming from around all 4 seals, so you know you've purged them completely.

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I am having a hard enough time finding some regardless of style!
According to Advanceautoparts.com these stores have the Neapco 1-0005

Advance Auto Parts - Store 9031
8305 SUDLEY ROAD
MANASSAS, VA 20109
703-361-8100
qty 2

Advance Auto Parts - Store 9041
6049 CENTREVILLE CREST LANE
CENTREVILLE, VA 20121
703-802-9620
qty 2
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I heart the neapco 1-0005. The computers lie, but yes those two are the most likely to have them, followed by the one in Reston. The one closest to me is of course the one least likely to ever have any part I need. Go get me some neapco's Jeff.
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Get the greasable 1310s without hesitation and keep them pumped full.
1310's don't fit stock coiler shafts.

Precision 344 is about the best substitute I have found long term.
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I heart the neapco 1-0005. The computers lie, but yes those two are the most likely to have them, followed by the one in Reston. The one closest to me is of course the one least likely to ever have any part I need. Go get me some neapco's Jeff.


I'm letting my backorder at Summit run it's course which hopefully will get 6 Precision 344's delivered to my door by the end of the month and in the meantime I will check the Autozone in Manassas and Centreville. I have already tried Vienna, Herndon and Chantilly with no luck...plus the Pep Boys, Olympus and a few others!

Galpin, the first two I buy are going on my truck! You can have the 2nd 2!
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Geesh. That's the last time I lend you my spares. LOL

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Geesh. That's the last time I lend you my spares. LOL

J/K
As I recall you actually installed your spares on my truck for me! In that case, I'll give you the first two I find as long as you install them on the front of my truck this time!
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Your generosity overwhelms me.

BTW, you'd better come up with a good answer to Josh why you broke your speedo cable before I tell him you're a knuckle dragging neanderthal.
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...in the meantime I will check the Autozone
Do not get u-joints at Autozone. They use the Neapco part numbers but the u-joints are "Duralast" and made in China.
If you need them soon and the local Advance doesn't actually have them in stock, just go online and order them. I placed an order Friday for 5 and they arrived today.
I just looked on their website and if you order over $100 (that's like 4 u-joints and 4 hub bearings) by 8-11 you get $20 off the total and free shipping. You can't beat that.
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Autozone carries the same PDQ part as Advance Auto, made by Neapco, but they're not a stock item. Autozone, when they stock 1300-series jount, are the Duralast brand made in china, but share the same part number as the Neapco's. The PDQ part is American made and mirrors the old Spicer 5-4x.

I ordered Neapco joints off the Advance web store about 3-weeks ago. Took about 4-days to arrive. I think they were $12.xxea.
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