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Old March 4th, 2008, 12:39 PM
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Some of the Romance seems to be gone...

Wow, life sometimes changes your plans for you drastically. And so it was three years ago when I took my Defender off the road for the winter with every intention of putting it back on in the Spring. But life got hectic, and it didn't happen, and then my wife got pregnant with our first, and I swore the summer after she was born the 90 was going back on the road, but...

So three years later I am graced with a visit from Pendy (to pick up his latest project), and he is generous enough to help bring my 90 out of hibernation. I was very grateful to have his expertise on hand for the occasion. That was late summer, and I drove it around the neighborhood a few times. Now she is finally tagged, insured and back on the road again!

On our maiden I notice how the back end sounds like it is going to fall off every time we go over a bump, and she feels kind of like driving a wet sponge. I'm assuming that the tire carrier is the culprit for most of the horrible rattling from the back, but I'm not sure about why there is so much play in the steering that is seems like I can't drive the truck without looking like I'm drunk (anyone ever heard the phrase 'Pilot Induced Oscillations'?)

Any thoughts on helping me restore the romance would be welcomed. thanks..
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Old March 4th, 2008, 01:30 PM
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check the shocks and steering damper. I had similar issue with my RR classic and it turned out all the shocks are shot. Changed them made a world of difference.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 03:24 PM
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I replaced some parts on the steering linkage and had my bearings tightened. The wobbly driving effect was eliminated. Before, I had a lot of play in the wheel and wandering when hitting bumps.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 06:23 PM
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For the steering issues, the panhard rod bushings are a common culprit for wandering steering.. get under there and see if you can move anything around by hand.. Balljoints, bushings, etc. Also could be swivel preload not correct, and there is some adjust ment to be made in the steering box, that might be out, not sure about that one.


as for the back end bumping around, go round back and see if you can lift the spare at all (checking for excess play in the factory spare carrier) if there is, then you can shim it out, or maybe just tighten and grease the pivots to bring it back to line.

have fun, its a great truck! (you know it)
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Old March 6th, 2008, 06:41 PM
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Just pull the spare tire and the noise should go away (or change pitch at least) if it's the tire carrier.

Is there play in the steering while sitting still? If yes, then it's likely you need to adjust the steering box. If not, I'd get under there and put a wrench on every bolt and see if anything needs tightening.
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For the steering issues, the panhard rod bushings are a common culprit for wandering steering.. get under there and see if you can move anything around by hand.. Balljoints, bushings, etc. Also could be swivel preload not correct, and there is some adjust ment to be made in the steering box, that might be out, not sure about that one.


as for the back end bumping around, go round back and see if you can lift the spare at all (checking for excess play in the factory spare carrier) if there is, then you can shim it out, or maybe just tighten and grease the pivots to bring it back to line.
I probably need to come to the reality that this thing is 13 years old, and all the rubber bits could probably stand to be replaced. Any suggestions for confirming bushing's need for replacement, other than obvious visual signs?

There is some play in the tire carrier, I notice whenI close the door that lifting slightly as it closes makes it go much more smoothly. I was thinking about trying one of those hinge kits AB sells with the springs and new bolts, worthwhile?


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Just pull the spare tire and the noise should go away (or change pitch at least) if it's the tire carrier.

Is there play in the steering while sitting still? If yes, then it's likely you need to adjust the steering box. If not, I'd get under there and put a wrench on every bolt and see if anything needs tightening.
Seems to me like there is more movement in the steering wheel before the actual tire moves than I would expect, but then again how much play is normal? IS there a procedure around for adjusting the steering box, or do I just need to keep the 22nd clear?
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Old March 7th, 2008, 09:58 AM
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Well, I think keeping the 22nd clear is a must, but the adjustment itself isn't complicated. On top of the steering box there is an adjustment nut. Use a screwdriver to stop the inner bolt turning while you crack the nut. Then once the nut is loose, tighten the inner bolt (keeping track of how many turns you made) and turn the steering column shaft by hand to feel for play. You should back off right when you feel it's tightened up.

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Old March 7th, 2008, 11:22 AM
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If you look at the rear door hinge, there is an adjustment nut with a spring tension. When I tightened mine (which seemed to have loosened over time), the rattle and squeak noises while driving and the loose play went away.
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I replaced the rear hinge bolts and pivot balls on my rear door which were very worn. It helped with the door play a bit but not as much as I had hoped. Loosening the hinges and realigning the door and latch is what allowed my door to go from having to lift it to get it to close at all, to it closing with a light touch. My spare carrier is history though..
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I replaced the rear hinge bolts and pivot balls on my rear door which were very worn. It helped with the door play a bit but not as much as I had hoped. Loosening the hinges and realigning the door and latch is what allowed my door to go from having to lift it to get it to close at all, to it closing with a light touch. My spare carrier is history though..

Since you've done this on the rear, have you tried the main two doors? Both of mine are off alignment.
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Yup works there too. Once you get them fitting well, you can then adjust the strike plate so it latches properly. It really helps to have a second pair of hands though.
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