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Old December 6th, 2014, 02:23 PM
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Slop in swivel ball

I was rotating my tires and found some play in the swivel housing. When I jack up the front left I can get movement when I push in at the top of the tire. Looking at it from the axle side, everything moves outside of the chrome swivel. Any thoughts for a fix?

I took some video that I'll try to get on here later.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 02:29 PM
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play in the bearings hopefully.

try pulling some shims out from under the top pin and see if that cures it.

Failing that, you are due a rebuild of the swivel setup. Not that big of a deal really, just a lot of bolts, as someone said here recently.




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I was rotating my tires and found some play in the swivel housing. When I jack up the front left I can get movement when I push in at the top of the tire. Looking at it from the axle side, everything moves outside of the chrome swivel. Any thoughts for a fix?

I took some video that I'll try to get on here later.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 02:40 PM
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I was rotating my tires and found some play in the swivel housing. When I jack up the front left I can get movement when I push in at the top of the tire. Looking at it from the axle side, everything moves outside of the chrome swivel. Any thoughts for a fix?

I took some video that I'll try to get on here later.
Man I hate it when that happens...

Have you been off road lately? when was the last time you serviced any of those components? preload? ball juice?
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Ok thanks. Fwiw, the play only seems to be up and down, not side to side.

This should work for the video
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play in the bearings hopefully.
And in case it wasn't obvious, the first thing you should try is tightening the hub nuts. It's quick and easy.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 02:45 PM
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And in case it wasn't obvious, the first thing you should try is tightening the hub nuts. It's quick and easy.
Honestly I was being a little lazy. I didn't want to pull the spacer and dig deeper because that would require me to actually get out the tool box and I'm supposed to be working.

I should do some legwork so as to narrow it down I guess

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Man I hate it when that happens... Have you been off road lately? when was the last time you serviced any of those components? preload? ball juice?
Just Uwharrie in October. I gave it ball juice but all the rest should be serviced. I put new rotors and pads on a while back but didn't dig much further. I don't like these older style rotors and I have sticky caliper that puts up a fuss occasionally.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 02:58 PM
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Upper pin looks wasted to me , but a shim or two may take some out but I'd pull it apart and inspect for wear in the Railco and pin . The lower bearings are normally the last to go as they are always in grease being at the bottom . Unless your swivels are full of water from wheeling ;-) .
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Hey Captain,

Hub nuts do not affect the swivel pins. He said everything is moving including the outboard swivel housing.

FYI if you're not sure where the play is, block the brake pedal down and the clamping of the brake pads on the rotor will lock out any play in the hub bearings.

IOW if the play is gone with the brake pedal pressed down, your problem is in the wheel bearings. If not, then it is in the swivel.

Way easier than removing the drive flange.


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Old December 6th, 2014, 03:36 PM
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Top/bottom play without side/side play is swivels. Play in al directions is wheel bearings.
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guys theres a video :-)
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Yeah video got posted after my last post. I see both the tie rod and the radius arm moving - so the whole axle may be shifting! It looks to me like you have a whole lotta stuff loose under there. I'd start by checking the bushings and ball joints.
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I have a front axle housing complete from end to end with slotted rotors that I think came off a RRC. Can I refurbish that and swap it in? I believe it has the two pipe calipers which I'm not sure how to deal with.

You're right Galpin, there is a lot of loose stuff there. I think it's time to get all new bushings as well.
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There are two different width of radius arms, so it will depend if they are the same as your Defender which likely has the more narrow ones. The frame mount is also smaller on the older ones.

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Top/bottom play without side/side play is swivels. Play in al directions is wheel bearings.
That's not 100% true, the brakes can make it feel like there is no side to side play, when there probably should be. This is especially true if you have a slightly sticking calliper.
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Jeff:

Rebuilding the swivel ball is a piece of cake, I just did mine on the 90 (I was getting a small leak of 90W at the bottom of the seal that was driving me crazy). I replaced the seal awhile back, but then it started leaking again so I just decided to pull it all apart and rebuild. Call or text me, I can give you all the part #'s needed and walk you through it.
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thats some gnarly slop, man just get everthing from the swivel pin out, rebuild it all on the work bench and bolt it on the axle
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The radius arm bushings look shot too.
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The radius arm bushings look shot too.
Quit running those NC moonshine trails! Dang Redneck...
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good catch.

Honestly Im surprised this isn't a death wobble thread.

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Well that was to come right? because as he starts "correcting" the problem others will come to light. With the steering it's never just "one" thing it's usually a few, one wears another until the failure is evident. then comes the elimination...
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Well that was to come right? because as he starts "correcting" the problem others will come to light. With the steering it's never just "one" thing it's usually a few, one wears another until the failure is evident. then comes the elimination...
Thankfully steering dampeners exist!
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Thankfully steering dampeners exist!
X3...the steering band aid! I was told to remove it and see what happens! yeah thats kinda scary to just think about! lol...Do that and you'll find more than you thought.
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