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Old November 2nd, 2015, 08:47 AM
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Sleeving Track rod

As I put my front axle together, I want to sleeve/weld a thicker tub on top of the original to increase its strength, I've seen way too many track rods look like spaghetti after a mild hit on a rock.


That being said, Im measuring the OD of my stock track rod at 7/8". Hard to find any pipe or tube with that ID. I could go 1" but I feel that may have too much space. 3/4" will be too tight.


Anyone do this any remember what size pipe they used for a tight fit?
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 08:59 AM
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I used 1". Works fine. Added a 1" nut as well.
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I used 1". Works fine. Added a 1" nut as well.
OK - Im thinking just a few holes along the length and fill them with weld, along with welding the ends?


Also - any reason no to replace those clamps with jam nuts on each TRE? Easier to access for adjusting, and doesn't scratch up the finish of the rod.
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You should either sleeve both or buy HD rods. A bent drag link isn't much fun either
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https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchan...=283&top_cat=0

Or just buy some Rover thread tube adapters from Summit Machine and make some new rods from DOM.
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 09:29 AM
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OK - Im thinking just a few holes along the length and fill them with weld, along with welding the ends? Also - any reason no to replace those clamps with jam nuts on each TRE? Easier to access for adjusting, and doesn't scratch up the finish of the rod.
I guess but if you buy the fancy nuts you might as well just buy HD rods. The point of sleeving with pipe is it costs $5. Pipe and weld the ends. $10 for both and it will be fine.
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I guess but if you buy the fancy nuts you might as well just buy HD rods. The point of sleeving with pipe is it costs $5. Pipe and weld the ends. $10 for both and it will be fine.
Fancy nuts? $20 total?

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https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchan...=283&top_cat=0 Or just buy some Rover thread tube adapters from Summit Machine and make some new rods from DOM.

Did you see the price of that tube? Holy hell is it made from gold?


Good idea iWork the tube adapters. May look at that

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TRE THREAD is 11/16 16 right?
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Come to think of it. I'll use the clamps and just cut the sleeve an inch or two short, so the stock clamps for over the tube. He ends will have the TRE threaded into them so they will essentially be solid and just as strong I suppose
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Monkey wrench: Old off roading trick I read about was sleeving a square tube and welding that all up.
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Monkey wrench: Old off roading trick I read about was sleeving a square tube and welding that all up.
Not sure why you would use sq tubing. Round is much strong and won't have any edges to grab into obstacles if you did hit one
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I sleeved my stock steering rod (well, actually galpin's stock steering rod) with 1.5" OD, 0.25" wall 4130 chromoly.

It was tig-welded onto the stock rod, leaving enough of the original rod's ends to use the stock clamps.

I think going the route with weld-in bungs is superior (the stock clamps are a pretty cheesy way of fixing the ball joints. Lock nuts would be better), but I'm not sure if there is a huge advantage strengthwise. I've used a hydraulic jack to attempt to lift up my entire truck via the chromoly steering rod, and it will bend like a noodle until it hits the nose of the diff. It returns to its original shape after being deformed, however.
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I've done it. Just make sure you drill a few holes in the middle of the tube and do some plug welds.

When I welded mine, it was welded at the ends and it ruined the TRE threads.
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Just make sure you drill a few holes in the middle of the tube and do some plug welds.
Why?

If you ruined the threads, you welded much too hot. It really does not need any welding. The pipe could just be loose. The welding is just to seal it and prevent corrosion in the gap. It is not structural. You just want a very light weld.
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I have a tie rod from RovingTracks and like the design much better than what I did.

Pretty sure the Rover TRE's are 11/16-16 so I think the PITA is finding bungs in that thread size.

I did a search and this is the tubing I used: https://mysteelyard.com/product_info...ducts_id=11281

If I was to do mine again I would try harder to find the correct bungs and build it with 1.5" tube and that would make it easier make a clamp for the Disco pitman arm conversion (I know adding more options to the pile).

But if you got the 7/8" ID tube and sleeved the whole track rod and could find or make jam nuts that would be a nice design too. I have a 11/16-16 LH plug tap so you could make the one side.
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Fancy nuts? $20 total?
Where can you get the nuts?
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looks like you can buy 11/16-16 jam nuts:

Amazon.com: Steinjäger Nuts Bulk Jam Fasteners, Bulk 11/16-16 RH 10 Pack Grade 2 Plated Zinc Yellow: Automotive

Let me know I'll go half's on a 10 pack with you
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looks like you can buy 11/16-16 jam nuts:

Amazon.com: Steinjäger Nuts Bulk Jam Fasteners, Bulk 11/16-16 RH 10 Pack Grade 2 Plated Zinc Yellow: Automotive

Let me know I'll go half's on a 10 pack with you
How about the required left hand thread ones?
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Where can you get the nuts?
Yea. Just realized I can't. Found 11/16 18.
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looks like you can buy 11/16-16 jam nuts: Amazon.com: Steinjäger Nuts Bulk Jam Fasteners, Bulk 11/16-16 RH 10 Pack Grade 2 Plated Zinc Yellow: Automotive Let me know I'll go half's on a 10 pack with you
Ok. Not a bad idea. But will need to find 2 LH ones lol
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