Short shift kit for lt77/r380 - Defender Source
Defender Source  

Go Back   Defender Source > Defender & Series Technical Discussions > Defender Technical Discussions


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old November 19th, 2014, 09:31 AM
Uncle Douglas's Avatar
Uncle Douglas
Status: Online
Doug Crowther
A defender in every driveway-motto
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Gods Country- Central Virginia
Posts: 11,841
Registry
Short shift kit for lt77/r380

Anyone seen these ?
Syncroworks Developments PM345 The Syncroworks Development Slickshift is easy to fit and allows you to use your original gear stick. Within thirty minutes you can have a more modern feeling Defender, with gear selections similar to newer vehicles.

A new innovative design exclusive to Syncroworks Developments, the Land Rover Defender LT77/R380 Slickshift improves gear change by reducing sloppiness and minimising travel, as well as neatening shifts giving smoother gear changes.

The Syncroworks Development Slickshift is easy to fit and allows you to use your original gear stick. Within thirty minutes you can have a more modern feeling Defender, with gear selections similar to newer vehicles.

The Slickshift from Syncroworks Developments is a direct replacement for the existing pivot pin. Included in the kit is the custom pivot pin and spacer plates as well as 4 new BZP 8mm bolts. Also included in the kit is a new nylon cup to replace your old worn out one.

For Defender LT77 & R380 ONLY (inc TD5 Defender) Youíll only need a pair of circlip pliers, a screw driver, 17mm, 13mm, and 10mm spanners for fitting. Can be fitted in situí within 30 mins. 2 spanner difficulty rating
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Slickshift.jpg
Views:	409
Size:	46.9 KB
ID:	107140  
__________________
Good judgement comes from experience,experience comes from bad judgement.

Dividing Creek Imports
Worldwide Vehicle Shipment and Importation Service
Restoration & Modification work


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

410.693.1391


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old November 19th, 2014, 09:36 AM
DefenderMd's Avatar
DefenderMd
Status: Offline
Ben
87 defender 110 3 door
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Annapolis md
Posts: 336
Registry
hmmmm... not a product I'd expect to see. I do have the occasional trouble with finding a gear when I'm in a hurry, but that stems more from my lack of clutch use from anything other than a stop.

I don't have a travel problem... but the sloppiness... That could use a tune-up
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old November 19th, 2014, 09:43 AM
Uncle Douglas's Avatar
Uncle Douglas
Status: Online
Doug Crowther
A defender in every driveway-motto
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Gods Country- Central Virginia
Posts: 11,841
Registry
kit raises the pivot point shortening throw and that vagueness that is often in these transmissions.

We used to put similar kits in go fast BMW's back in 80's
__________________
Good judgement comes from experience,experience comes from bad judgement.

Dividing Creek Imports
Worldwide Vehicle Shipment and Importation Service
Restoration & Modification work


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

410.693.1391


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old November 19th, 2014, 10:13 AM
don's Avatar
don
Status: Offline
Don Bunnell
'86 110 3dr ST
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Rumson, NJ
Posts: 4,272
Registry
I came across that site when I was searching parts for my LT230/shorty R380 linkage. Looks pretty cool - I could imagine it making the R380 a little more "snickier" (term used back in my Audi days for short shift kit feels)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old November 19th, 2014, 10:31 AM
DefenderMd's Avatar
DefenderMd
Status: Offline
Ben
87 defender 110 3 door
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Annapolis md
Posts: 336
Registry
Snicky brit box?
Only if it was copied from getrag. But it could make an ole one ten a bit more civilized. How much more effort would it take though. I dropped a short shift into a couple cable units recently for racing applications... Short/snicky as hell... Went too far though. Gears too close. Effort too high. Now the rover has a big ol handle but the low down slop... Will that make finding a gear even harder? I mean more in the skipping gears and slip shifting. It wont lower it too much yea?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old November 19th, 2014, 10:45 AM
sonoronos's Avatar
sonoronos
Status: Offline
Ed
None
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 5,544
Registry
the shortest throw manual transmission is the one that has zero throw - aka an automatic transmission

the lt77 and r380 are incredibly simple and shift fine with very little effort when they don't have 150,000 miles on them.

i think most people have terrible opinions of these transmissions because they 25 year old drive basketcase trucks with abused transmissions filled with worn out synchros, forks, and lockout bushings.

my opinion: a full rebuild will do a hundred times more than a short shifter.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old November 19th, 2014, 10:59 AM
Uncle Douglas's Avatar
Uncle Douglas
Status: Online
Doug Crowther
A defender in every driveway-motto
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Gods Country- Central Virginia
Posts: 11,841
Registry
The kit appeals to me but these rover transmissions issue is and continues to be their synchro's and while this would likely make for better shifts time still has to be taken so the slow brit synchro's can line up, my truck has a fresh Ascroft r380 and I still have to take my time with shifts, a far cry from the g50 in my 911 turbo years ago. Anyone who has experienced the getrag in the tdci's know's you will then lust for better in these older trucks.
__________________
Good judgement comes from experience,experience comes from bad judgement.

Dividing Creek Imports
Worldwide Vehicle Shipment and Importation Service
Restoration & Modification work


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

410.693.1391


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old November 19th, 2014, 11:01 AM
transientmechanic's Avatar
transientmechanic
Status: Offline
Adam
1972 SIII
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 786
^ Ed is on the right track. I've always been impressed with the throw and "crispness" of an LT77 in good shape. It is basically a car transmission after all... we aren't talking about a big iron case 4 speed GM trans here.

I think the short throw kit could be a good addition during a rebuild if you're really looking for that experience, but I would hesitate to put it on a high mileage worn out gearbox because it would probably just do more harm than good.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old November 19th, 2014, 11:03 AM
DefenderMd's Avatar
DefenderMd
Status: Offline
Ben
87 defender 110 3 door
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Annapolis md
Posts: 336
Registry
Keep the syncros in your right boot and they will last a lot longer.

Car transmission? Shifts like a truck... At least in the lt77... But it is small.

And the 2.x engines come straight out of an old ford tractor... Strange combo
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old November 19th, 2014, 11:05 AM
Red90's Avatar
Red90
Status: Offline
John B.
1991 Defender 90, 200TDI
Site Team
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
Posts: 9,249
Registry
Yah, I don't see it. With the right oil and in proper condition, I find the boxes shift perfectly fine. The amount of throw and force is about right.
__________________
Pissing people off on the "net" since 1983.

Land Rover. Turning owners into mechanics since 1948.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old November 19th, 2014, 11:13 AM
DefenderMd's Avatar
DefenderMd
Status: Offline
Ben
87 defender 110 3 door
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Annapolis md
Posts: 336
Registry
Yea i have to say, id be a lot more intersted in an overdrive and a splitter... The 2.5 d dont tow so great.
I do find an extra reverse spot over by 4 on occasion when trying to "zoom" into traffic.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old November 19th, 2014, 11:28 AM
transientmechanic's Avatar
transientmechanic
Status: Offline
Adam
1972 SIII
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 786
Ben, what condition is your gearbox in? Is it original from the MOD?

The LT77 is a car transmission... was used in several Jags and even the Triumph TR7/8

If it shifts like a truck (thinking 1 ton pickup) then the box is probably nearing its last legs.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old November 19th, 2014, 11:58 AM
rdavisinva's Avatar
rdavisinva
Status: Online
Robert Davis
N/A
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 6,810
Any advantage to group buy for say Uncle Douglas, Adam, Ben, & myself + anyone else?
__________________
RDavisinVA

Uncle "Richard" Douglas has a Land Rover with big wheels that never gets stuck... until he breaks something so it won't go. Uncle Douglas always breaks something. - Anna Crowther at the Conclave 2012 (AKA Carburetor Neck)

"What's with this death wobble, Uncle Douglas, I can't keep it in 1 lane?"
UD: "Just Power through it man!"
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old November 19th, 2014, 12:31 PM
Uncle Douglas's Avatar
Uncle Douglas
Status: Online
Doug Crowther
A defender in every driveway-motto
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Gods Country- Central Virginia
Posts: 11,841
Registry
My cut and paste was from Paddocks newsletter. Hard to beat their prices- savings would be to ship them all together.
__________________
Good judgement comes from experience,experience comes from bad judgement.

Dividing Creek Imports
Worldwide Vehicle Shipment and Importation Service
Restoration & Modification work


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

410.693.1391


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old November 19th, 2014, 12:36 PM
Red90's Avatar
Red90
Status: Offline
John B.
1991 Defender 90, 200TDI
Site Team
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
Posts: 9,249
Registry
Have a read on the AULRO thread. Just to be aware of possible mods needed depending on your own interior setup.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...lickshift.html
__________________
Pissing people off on the "net" since 1983.

Land Rover. Turning owners into mechanics since 1948.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old November 19th, 2014, 12:47 PM
Uncle Douglas's Avatar
Uncle Douglas
Status: Online
Doug Crowther
A defender in every driveway-motto
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Gods Country- Central Virginia
Posts: 11,841
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red90 View Post
Have a read on the AULRO thread. Just to be aware of possible mods needed depending on your own interior setup.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...lickshift.html
From what I read there the early version came with a new shift lever but the kit has been re-designed to utilize the original rover lever eliminating the issues.
__________________
Good judgement comes from experience,experience comes from bad judgement.

Dividing Creek Imports
Worldwide Vehicle Shipment and Importation Service
Restoration & Modification work


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

410.693.1391


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old November 19th, 2014, 01:29 PM
Red90's Avatar
Red90
Status: Offline
John B.
1991 Defender 90, 200TDI
Site Team
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
Posts: 9,249
Registry
Yes, but if you buy from Paddock spares, you need to be careful of what you get. They may not be selling the newest version.

I would still be cognisant of the issue if you have a large center console or air con.

I've never understood the desire for short shifters on any road going car. Longer shifts allow better synchro feel and long synchro life. Saving microseconds on shift time is not going to help anything.
__________________
Pissing people off on the "net" since 1983.

Land Rover. Turning owners into mechanics since 1948.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old November 19th, 2014, 02:00 PM
Whiesel's Avatar
Whiesel
Status: Offline
Eric Williamson
LR-90 300 tdi
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Wet Coast, Canada
Posts: 139
Must admit that I have missed a few gears when up and down the box in low-range, Then again I could be at risk to opening up a new subject.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old November 19th, 2014, 03:16 PM
aka rover's Avatar
aka rover
Status: Offline
ed angel
95 D90
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Anchorage Alaska
Posts: 1,132
Registry
I installed a very similar unit on my f-350 6 spd . I needed to shorten the throw for extra space due to over size center console . Worked great with no bad side effects . Thanks for posting this I'll be getting one and trying it out .

Ed
__________________
95 D90 SW 4.6 ARBs 8274 37" BFGs Gigglepin twin motor 8274
94 D90 ST R380 constine green stock
85 D110 3.5 3 DR
67 NADA diesel tremec 4spd salisbury rear springs on front and a LOT MORE TO GO.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old November 19th, 2014, 03:25 PM
Uncle Douglas's Avatar
Uncle Douglas
Status: Online
Doug Crowther
A defender in every driveway-motto
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Gods Country- Central Virginia
Posts: 11,841
Registry
lets see the 3fiddy console. I have been trying to decide what I want to do with mine
__________________
Good judgement comes from experience,experience comes from bad judgement.

Dividing Creek Imports
Worldwide Vehicle Shipment and Importation Service
Restoration & Modification work


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

410.693.1391


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Defender Source > Defender & Series Technical Discussions > Defender Technical Discussions

Tags
r380, kit

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Custom LT77 shift knob Naplm00 Defender Technical Discussions 19 June 11th, 2016 10:19 PM
Lt77 shift lever tomaco1 Wanted 13 February 21st, 2013 07:04 PM
R380 or LT77 Shift lever CDeWan Wanted 5 May 25th, 2011 08:09 AM
Lt77 Shift knob iamgoode Wanted 0 May 7th, 2011 11:27 PM
lt77 cold weather, hard to shift discotdi Defender Technical Discussions 9 December 10th, 2010 02:19 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:41 PM.


Copyright