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Old December 5th, 2012, 03:19 PM
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Shopping for a US legal Defender 110

Hi, new to forum, looks like some good info/people here.

Recently, I've decided to pursue a defender 110. I see a few decent vehicles on ebay for around 30k, but admittedly -- I don't have enough info to proceed. My funds are ready, I just need some info so I can make a solid decision. Few things if you folks can shed some light on the following:

I have to be able to insure this vehicle. I don't want to put myself or my family at risk financially by driving something that the insurance company won't cover 100%. I don't want any surprises here. If I'm not mistaken, driving a foreign import vehicle is literally putting your net worth on the line every time you drive it.

200 or 300 tdi? I'm sure there are tons of threads on this and I will search and read. Feel free to weigh in if you like here

Anyone know of a great 110, that's pretty much ready to go? Ideally, I buy something that someone put alot of effort and energy into already.

Price range for a decent one. Just looking for more info but my ebay research says 25-30k is a good start for a solid vehicle.

Is there an expert here that I can hire (for pay) to advise me during the process. I would not mind paying for expertise here -- at all...

Thanks and look forward to any & all replies.

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Old December 5th, 2012, 03:34 PM
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Responses in bold... just my 2 cents. I'm still a rookie at this, I bought my first 110 in the summer of this year.


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I have to be able to insure this vehicle. I don't want to put myself or my family at risk financially by driving something that the insurance company won't cover 100%. I don't want any surprises here. If I'm not mistaken, driving a foreign import vehicle is literally putting your net worth on the line every time you drive it.

I haven't heard of one being uninsurable yet... but the challenge is getting insurance for the actual value of the vehicle. I only have liability, so my net worth isn't on the line but the 15K I have in the truck is.

200 or 300 tdi? I'm sure there are tons of threads on this and I will search and read. Feel free to weigh in if you like here.

My vote based on my research is 200 tdi, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet on an upgrade.

Anyone know of a great 110, that's pretty much ready to go? Ideally, I buy something that someone put alot of effort and energy into already.

I don't personally know any of these trucks, but its somewhere to start.

LHD, Galvy chassis, tdi: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-...item2c6a735f63

Expedition rig with LHD, tdi, off-road goodies: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-...item43b66ad890

More affordable RHD from reputable member Draaron of GB4x4: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-...item27cd2e11e8

Price range for a decent one. Just looking for more info but my ebay research says 25-30k is a good start for a solid vehicle.

I got mine over for 12K including all import fees and costs, but it is bare bones, ugly as hell, slow, leaky and original. I'd budget 15-25 for a good starter. I'm glad I didn't wait... but if I had I could have got a truck with tdi like I am eventually going to do anyway.

Is there an expert here that I can hire (for pay) to advise me during the process. I would not mind paying for expertise here -- at all...

See doug for any and all import stuff... he should pop up here in a minute. Very reputable and has imported 100s of trucks. For general buying/shopping advice I think the forum is a great wealth of free information. Others with 10x more experience in this than me are going to pipe up with lots of great info... plus when your awesome new truck starts to break, rust, shit the bed, etc they will either help you fix it or tell you to suck it up because you bought a land rover... they do that.


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Hi, new to forum, looks like some good info/people here.

Recently, I've decided to pursue a defender 110. I see a few decent vehicles on ebay for around 30k, but admittedly -- I don't have enough info to proceed. My funds are ready, I just need some info so I can make a solid decision. Few things if you folks can shed some light on the following:

I have to be able to insure this vehicle. I don't want to put myself or my family at risk financially by driving something that the insurance company won't cover 100%. I don't want any surprises here. If I'm not mistaken, driving a foreign import vehicle is literally putting your net worth on the line every time you drive it.

200 or 300 tdi? I'm sure there are tons of threads on this and I will search and read. Feel free to weigh in if you like here

Anyone know of a great 110, that's pretty much ready to go? Ideally, I buy something that someone put alot of effort and energy into already.

Price range for a decent one. Just looking for more info but my ebay research says 25-30k is a good start for a solid vehicle.

Is there an expert here that I can hire (for pay) to advise me during the process. I would not mind paying for expertise here -- at all...

Thanks and look forward to any & all replies.

- Adam
you can pay me to regurgitate the waffle on the board ... but 25 year old 110 with period/original engine should keep you on the right side of the fence and is fully insurable and 100% legal. No awkward questions.

A NAS 110 would basically need a dustpan and brush to move it around for $30k

200tdi vs 300tdi ... both are fantastic old and fairly slow diesels ... given they weren't introduced until 1989 neither would be original fitment to a 25yr old truck.

You'd be looking at a 3.5 v8 or 2.5 NA diesel ( Normally Aspirated )

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I have to be able to insure this vehicle. I don't want to put myself or my family at risk financially by driving something that the insurance company won't cover 100%.
Search "agreed value" "stated value" etc. here - plenty of recommendations for carriers, etc. as well as those companies that no longer offer it, etc.

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I don't want any surprises here. If I'm not mistaken, driving a foreign import vehicle is literally putting your net worth on the line every time you drive it.
You are for the most part mistaken - there are plenty of risk averse individuals driving imported vehicles not originally intended for the US market here. The only issue you may have will be in convincing your insurance company to give you decent money for the truck or to repair the truck. Now if the truck is sketchy and a vin swap etc. then it is a different story.
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Hello and Welcome!

Are you OK with right hand drive? If so, it should be easy to sort out.

As far as insurance, you have two issues: liability and comp/collision for the value of the vehicle. On the former, you should not have much to worry about IF the vehicle is what it purports to be. Allstate did not give a crap about what I was driving and I got a letter from them saying it was fine. To be doubly sure, get an umbrella policy. On the latter, you need to find agreed value insurance if you want to get your money back out of it.

I don't know if anyone would be so bold as to take your money just to advise you, but if you post up ones you are looking for you will get a lot of opinions. If you need to import one from the UK, use Doug Crowther (divindingcreekimports.com) as me and a bunch of others have used him with great success. He fee is very reasonable and he is top notch to deal with. Trevor at british4x4 is a great mechanic as is frank at rover repairs of collingdale (trevor I am sure has more diesel experience).

I also suggest you join R.O.V.E.R.S. the local club. $25 well spent.
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If I'm not mistaken, driving a foreign import vehicle is literally putting your net worth on the line every time you drive it.

No truth to this statement whatsoever.
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No truth to this statement whatsoever.
Agreed. There are 100% legal vehicles in every aspect and there are vehicles that could be described as ambiguous. Same for any vehicle, not limited to defenders ... Add a sports exhaust, big wheels to your Detroit muscle crap ... Don't tell your insurer ... Take your chances.

Sorry about the Detroit muscle crap ... My English autocorrect is pretty pedantic.
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Agreed. There are 100% legal vehicles in every aspect and there are vehicles that could be described as ambiguous. Same for any vehicle, not limited to defenders ... Add a sports exhaust, big wheels to your Detroit muscle crap ... Don't tell your insurer ... Take your chances.

Sorry about the Detroit muscle crap ... My English autocorrect is pretty pedantic.
This isn't England, you aren't required to tell insurance that you modified your vehicle.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 09:20 PM
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No truth to this statement whatsoever.
Sorry, I should have presented that a little differently -- perhaps posted that as a question because I do not have all the information that I'm actually seeking (just a natural mistrust in the insurance institution). Also at the end of the day, I'm trying to buy a 110 -- just want to do it responsibly and the absolute correct way.

I'm Primarily concerned with liability. Secondarily, would be the value of the vehicle.

So here goes:

1. How do you go about insuring a foreign import 110 defender? Are there any cars that you can not insure here in the USA? Can the insurance companies wiggle out of a claim because it's a foreign import? What's safe & what's risky here?

2. What makes one defender import insurable and another not?

Thanks for the insight. Didn't mean to step on any toes with a green comment.
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1. How do you go about insuring a foreign import 110 defender? Are there any cars that you can not insure here in the USA? Can the insurance companies wiggle out of a claim because it's a foreign import? What's safe & what's risky here?
I just recently went through this, if you search for "insurance", you'll find a few threads about the subject. I personally insured it through Hagerty since my regular cars are insured with Allstate and they don't insure gray market cars anymore. I just needed to prove to Hagerty that I have other regular daily drivers. I also had to send them a picture of the 110 inside a garage. I have it insured at $25k agreed value.
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Now THAT is funny!
That is funny...and sadly true!!

Hope you find a good one!! We've kicked around the idea of getting an import 110 to go with our NAS 110 too. There's a lot of fun mods we would like to do to one, but we just can't bring ourselves to alter our current one too much, since it's very original and in good shape.
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A 25 year old defender is not 'gray market' it's completely within all the regulations and laws.
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Hi, new to forum, looks like some good info/people here.

Recently, I've decided to pursue a defender 110. I see a few decent vehicles on ebay for around 30k, but admittedly -- I don't have enough info to proceed. My funds are ready, I just need some info so I can make a solid decision. Few things if you folks can shed some light on the following:

• I have to be able to insure this vehicle. I don't want to put myself or my family at risk financially by driving something that the insurance company won't cover 100%. I don't want any surprises here. If I'm not mistaken, driving a foreign import vehicle is literally putting your net worth on the line every time you drive it.

• 200 or 300 tdi? I'm sure there are tons of threads on this and I will search and read. Feel free to weigh in if you like here

• Anyone know of a great 110, that's pretty much ready to go? Ideally, I buy something that someone put alot of effort and energy into already.

• Price range for a decent one. Just looking for more info but my ebay research says 25-30k is a good start for a solid vehicle.

• Is there an expert here that I can hire (for pay) to advise me during the process. I would not mind paying for expertise here -- at all...

Thanks and look forward to any & all replies.

- Adam
Adam, I know of a nice LHD 110 with all its original equipment, very low miles and one original owner. It's a 1984 and spent it's entire 29 year life in Holland. It has a limestone exterior and a black interior with seating for six. It has a 3.5L v8 mated with LT95 four speed transmission. It has factory installed power steering as well as factory installed external oil cooler. These are sort of rare finds on the early 110s. The other feature i really like about the early 110s are the half doors. This allows you to remove the door tops and magnify the open air experience on or off road. If you are interested I'd be happy to send you pix and answer any questions you might have.

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A 25 year old defender is not 'gray market' it's completely within all the regulations and laws.
I think "gray market" technically means a vehicle that was never designed for the US market. So a 25 year old D is gray market, but agreed is no big deal. Actually you can import a RHD Series truck and that is not only gray market, but you'd likewise be able to insure it just about anywhere and many people do. No difference really.
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hi clay, yes please do. you can shoot the pics to my email gomotomoto(gmail)

Shopping around pretty aggressively right now. There's a member with a green double cab that I'd love to own, but it looks like it's a bit too much of a project. Think I'd go for it if it were a right side driver. bummer.

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Adam, I know of a nice LHD 110 with all its original equipment, very low miles and one original owner. It's a 1984 and spent it's entire 29 year life in Holland. It has a limestone exterior and a black interior with seating for six. It has a 3.5L v8 mated with LT95 four speed transmission. It has factory installed power steering as well as factory installed external oil cooler. These are sort of rare finds on the early 110s. The other feature i really like about the early 110s are the half doors. This allows you to remove the door tops and magnify the open air experience on or off road. If you are interested I'd be happy to send you pix and answer any questions you might have.

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I have a 1986 90 and RHD. 6 months ago it was in the UK.

It was imported by the previous owner in Fort Lauderdale.

There were no issues at all transfering the title, registering it, or getting full coverage insurance through Metlife.

Some people refer to these as "illegal" because they see that it has RHD. They are perfectly legal.

It may be considered gray market.....but as long as it is older than 25 years and the DMV inspects your VINs, its as legal as having any other car etc.

All gray market means is that it wasnt intended for the U.S. market.

Go for it.....they are fun to drive, work on, etc.
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A 25 year old defender is not 'gray market' it's completely within all the regulations and laws.
Yes, it's completely within regs, but since it's not originally intended for the US market, hence the designation of "gray market".

When the folks at the DMV searched for my VIN, they didn't find it in their default database and had to request for a VIN picture. In some cases like Tom mentioned, they request for a VIN trace.
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