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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:01 AM
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I insure my series through hagerty, agreed value policy, pretty cheap for full coverage, they didnt require me to send a picture of it in the garage. Still waiting for them to mail me their quartley magazine, maybe im not special enough for it.
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First I had to take the truck to the DMV for inspection. They extent of the inspection was to look at the VIN in the engine compartment. Once I had the inspecters signed paperwork, I took it to get the title agency. Once I had the title, I got my plates and got it registered.

Pretty sure it was the same process as any car, imported or not, from one state to another.

This was in Ohio.
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Definition of grey market

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A 25 year old defender is not 'gray market' it's completely within all the regulations and laws.
grey market-any vehicle not imported by the manufacturers distribution chanels or agent thereof. The term grey market actually implies a legal import but has nothing to do with safety compliance,insurability etc, it simply denotes a vehicle's importation by some one other than the manufacturer.

Let the misinformation mongering cease.
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grey market-any vehicle not imported by the manufacturers distribution chanels or agent thereof. The term grey market actually implies a legal import but has nothing to do with safety compliance,insurability etc, it simply denotes a vehicle's importation by some one other than the manufacturer.

Let the misinformation mongering cease.
I did suggest that
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grey market-any vehicle not imported by the manufacturers distribution chanels or agent thereof. The term grey market actually implies a legal import but has nothing to do with safety compliance,insurability etc, it simply denotes a vehicle's importation by some one other than the manufacturer.

Let the misinformation mongering cease.
Are you sure Doug? Leastonce sure does sound like the expert on all things legal when it come to Defenders and you just import them for a living...

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Old December 6th, 2012, 11:01 AM
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First I had to take the truck to the DMV for inspection. They extent of the inspection was to look at the VIN in the engine compartment. Once I had the inspecters signed paperwork, I took it to get the title agency. Once I had the title, I got my plates and got it registered.
Same thing here in Georgia. Made me think a VIN swap would be a piece of cake...

I had an issue initially w/my insurance because the VIN didn't pop up in their database but once the manually added it it was fine. Insurance through Cincinnati Insurance (yea, I had never heard of it either, but real cheap)
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Old December 6th, 2012, 11:15 AM
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Are you sure Doug? Leastonce sure does sound like the expert on all things legal when it come to Defenders and you just import them for a living...


Yeah Dave I'm sure. Been dealing with/driving/insuring my personal grey market imports since the 80's. Started out with high end BMW's that weren't offered in the US. Back then the grey market cars were desired more by the enthusiasts than the US spec ones as they had higher compression engines, better profile cams, aesthetically pleasing lines/lights, svelt chrome bumpers as compared to the US 5mph "rubber baby bumpers" etc.

I guess things haven't changed that much. The "enthusiasts" here want turbo diesels only sold everywhere but here. The mall driving suburbanite crowd are content with V8's.

My infatuation started with eurospec 7 series that were faster than my friends US spec 911's. Back then a US citizen could take a one time epa exemption and import anything you wanted and not have to make it meet US emissions as long as you brought it up to the then US Dot standards. The original 745i Executive was an incredible vehcile http://www.mcsmk8.com/745/745.htm . I had three of them all modified similarly to the one linked. Been playing in this sandbox for 30yrs.
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Yeah Dave I'm sure. Been dealing with/driving grey market imports since the 80's. Started out with high end BMW's that weren't offered in the US. Back then the grey market cars were desired more by the enthusiasts than the US spec ones as they had higher compression engines, better profile cams, aesthetically pleasing lines/lights, svelt chrome bumpers as compared to the US 5mph "rubber baby bumpers" etc.
I had eurospec 7 series that were faster than my friends US spec 911's. Back then a US citizen could take a one time epa exemption and import anything you wanted and not have to make it meet US emissions as long as you brought it up to the then US Dot standards. Been playing in this sandbox for 30yrs.
I think Dave was being sarcastic
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State Farm was happy to insure my grey market 110. They did want a copy of CBP Form 7501 to prove that it was imported legally, but otherwise no issues whatsoever.

I think this underscores the importance of making sure you get a CBP Form 7501 and hang onto it if you buy a grey market vehicle.
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I just recently went through this, if you search for "insurance", you'll find a few threads about the subject. I personally insured it through Hagerty since my regular cars are insured with Allstate and they don't insure gray market cars anymore. I just needed to prove to Hagerty that I have other regular daily drivers. I also had to send them a picture of the 110 inside a garage. I have it insured at $25k agreed value.
Unless their policy has changed, Hagerty's insurance doesn't cover off-road use.
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Unless their policy has changed, Hagerty's insurance doesn't cover off-road use.
Honestly I think any insurance company probably won't cover off-road use...
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I know you know what you are talking about, you imported my 90 for me and did a great job

Just feeling snarky today and trying to point out that people should be listening to someone like Doug that knows what they are talking about and the peanut gallery that has no idea (or thinks they know everything) should just keep quite rather than confuse the issue.
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Honestly I think any insurance company probably won't cover off-road use...
Sure they do. Some will exclude competitions, but that's about it.

As for Hagerty, when I described my usage of my LRs (occasional commuting, trips to Home Depot, camping, etc) they had no interest in insuring me. Their business model doesn't involve insuring vehicles that are used like an ordinary car.
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Just feeling snarky today and trying to point out that people should be listening to someone like Doug that knows what they are talking about and the peanut gallery that has no idea (or thinks they know everything)
Me too. I knew exactly what you were putting down Dave.
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Sure they do. Some will exclude competitions, but that's about it.

As for Hagerty, when I described my usage of my LRs (occasional commuting, trips to Home Depot, camping, etc) they had no interest in insuring me. Their business model doesn't involve insuring vehicles that are used like an ordinary car.
That mirrors my experience. I've used Hagerty in the past, but that was for an old sports car that was rarely driven; exactly what they want to insure.
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State Farm was happy to insure my grey market 110. They did want a copy of CBP Form 7501 to prove that it was imported legally, but otherwise no issues whatsoever.

I think this underscores the importance of making sure you get a CBP Form 7501 and hang onto it if you buy a grey market vehicle.
Same here, with three ROW trucks. Also needed VIN verification in the form of a vin plate photo. Just make certain that there is an agreed value at the outset of the policy. Receipts, photos, and in some cases an independent estimate is a good idea if there is a big discrepancy between the import value and the fully restored value.
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Dear gomotomoto: Buy the truck Clay told you about. Even if you hate it you can sell it for what you paid, or more. I think though, that you will like it very very much. I would buy it myself but cannot have another vehicle in my life right now.
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If you want a low cost Defender prepare to have to do a lot of work on it. That is fine if you are like me and enjoy doing it. I paid just under $5000 for my 110 CSW when I found it in the UK, came with ex-MOD low mileage 300TDI running gear. But, I am in the process of going through the front and rear axles, brakes, and sorting out some body and wiring issues. Generally, the less you pay, the more issues you can expect. And when dealing with UK vehicles there definition of "good condition" is not even close to ours. So have them be VERY specific when describing condition! The first 110 I brought over was described as good condition with very little rust. The bulkhead had fist size holes in it and the chassis was toast!
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Yeah, I kind of want a runner that I can maybe address (existing) things at my leisure. Obviously, I won't be able to leisurely address major items -- but I'd like to buy one from someone who's really put alot of energy into already, so I'm not buying a box of rotten surprises. Going in with eyes wide open, but would like to eliminate as much hassle as I can afford.
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Yeah, I kind of want a runner that I can maybe address (existing) things at my leisure. Obviously, I won't be able to leisurely address major items -- but I'd like to buy one from someone who's really put alot of energy into already, so I'm not buying a box of rotten surprises. Going in with eyes wide open, but would like to eliminate as much hassle as I can afford.
My understanding is that what you've described is a "Jeep".
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