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Old March 30th, 2009, 02:28 PM
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How can you tell if you need new shocks and or bushings? My 110 has Rancho shocks. They are probably 5 years old. They have some sort of knob on them (no clue). The truck for the most part drives well but if I go over a bump, I get a huge thud sound from the rear. It sounds suspension related. It is as far as I can tell not related to the rear door and the spare rattling.

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A simple to check is the nut on the a-frame to axle ball joint. When this isn't tight (or the bushing is worn out), you can get a big thud/bang from the rear end.
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A simple to check is the nut on the a-frame to axle ball joint. When this isn't tight (or the bushing is worn out), you can get a big thud/bang from the rear end.
x2. Shocks are probably fine unless it continues to bounce after you hit a bump.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 02:54 PM
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A simple to check is the nut on the a-frame to axle ball joint. When this isn't tight (or the bushing is worn out), you can get a big thud/bang from the rear end.
Any pics of this so I know what to look for? Is this one bushing? easy to do?
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Is this one bushing? easy to do?
It is a ball joint and it is NOT easy to do.
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Well I guess it easy to check if it is tight
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If the cotter pin is still in the castellated nut then its probably tight enough, but I'd still take a pry-bar and see if you can get any play between the ball joint and the axle.

A question for the group would be "what is the best way to check the condition of the ball joint with the vehicle still on the ground?" I'm not sure my pry-bar method would work if the truck wasn't on a lift - I'm not sure.
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Is the ball joint that weird looking thing that looks like a small shcok under the center rear of the truck?
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No, the "small shock" is a Boge Hydromat (Nivomat?) self-leveling suspension system. The ball joint sits on top of the rear axle at the point where the "a-frame" or "wishbone" connects to it. This is a 90 chassis, but the ball joint looks the same.
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I am not in front of my truck right now but is it easy to get to this ball joint to see if it is tight? If it is and it needs a bushing is this the type of thing I should bring it in for?
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Sounds like the shocks are the Rancho 9000... the know is anjustment that increases or decreases the firmness, either 0-5 or 0-9. I have them on my ST and love them. You can get an in-cab adjuster.
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I am not in front of my truck right now but is it easy to get to this ball joint to see if it is tight? If it is and it needs a bushing is this the type of thing I should bring it in for?
Stick a pry bar in there and see if it moves up and down. There is no tightening it. I can guaranty the castle nut has not come loose. There are aftermarket ones that have a slot in the top to adjust the slack out. If you are getting a "clunk" from the rear suspension and non of your bushings are shot and your frame is not cracked where the upper A-arm mounts, suspect the ball joint. They are a bitch to do. I only did one ones and it required me undoing the big nut with an air chisel and driving around to free the ball joint from its housing after loosening it.

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Yeah, the nut has not come loose, but its not unknown for them to not be tightened all the way.
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Yeah, the nut has not come loose, but its not unknown for them to not be tightened all the way.
Interesting and good to know. That I have not seen.

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I did it myself...

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I haven't had a chance to check yet. Hoping nothing is cracked or what not.
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I took my Defender in to the shop today (dealer) for the same ball joint issue-and to have the check engine light reset as it was giving me the ABS / Rough Road message- The service manager told me it was the transfer case making the loud noise-"must be a bad bearing". I said....uh, it only happens when I drive over bumps, ie. speed bumps, I really dont think this is the transfer case bro, its suspension related-ie. ball joint. The reply- "Yeah, sorry man. It will be $4000 shipped (remanufactured), plus two days labor".

I hate living in an apartment without a garage. Damn it.
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See if you can hook up with Ren Ching or Charles Galpin and plan a VA tech day at someones home or shop. The LR Dealerships are really part swappers these days, they are not true mechanics anymore.
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Scott- Sad but true. Thanks for the info-

I got the same advice to look up one of those gents from another Rover "yoda" friend of mine.

The dealer sort of ticked me off because I knew the nobody ever test drove it- because if they had...they never would have said it was the t-case.

Of course, i do realize its still a business for them and having a truck sit around for lengthy diagnostics isnt making them as much money, so the service managers are pushed to get vehicles through.
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