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I'm trying to figure out the Land Rover reference for estimated hours labor to replace a head gasket on a TDI. Is there something online for that? That would be a handy reference to have for any other work, to compare what a shop is telling me versus a standard.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 01:24 PM
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Depends on the shop I suppose, hard to say it's fair to use something like that here in the states since Tdis were never here. Typically book times involve vehicles that the dealer sold/saw at some point. That being said, perhaps you can contact Jimmy Kelly directly and get info from him
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I'm trying to figure out the Land Rover reference for estimated hours labor to replace a head gasket on a TDI. Is there something online for that? That would be a handy reference to have for any other work, to compare what a shop is telling me versus a standard.
Not exactly what you are looking for, but here is the labor operation times for the heads on a NAS.
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The warranty time for a cylinder head including decarbonising, resurfacing, and grinding in the valves is 9.6 hours, so I would figure anywhere from 15-20 hours for a head gasket job at an independent shop.
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Bolts aren't 100% necessary on tdis like they are v8s
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Bolts aren't 100% necessary on tdis like they are v8s
I call bull shit. Aren't they supposed to stretch into place.
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I call bull shit. Aren't they supposed to stretch into place.
M&D says to measure them. 300 tdi manual says up to 3 times. Stephen said 2 max but he always uses new since they are not expensive. I had my head shaved and pressure tested in Nov when I did it. This sucks.
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M&D says to measure them. 300 tdi manual says up to 3 times. Stephen said 2 max but he always uses new since they are not expensive. I had my head shaved and pressure tested in Nov when I did it. This sucks.
un cool. Did you use an Erling gasket?
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un cool. Did you use an Erling gasket?
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The warranty time for a cylinder head including decarbonising, resurfacing, and grinding in the valves is 9.6 hours, so I would figure anywhere from 15-20 hours for a head gasket job at an independent shop.
Thanks for that, but that's crazy. Good machine shops here clean, shave and pressure test heads in an afternoon for around $100. How does one spend 10 hours on one head?

And I can have the head out myself in 2-3 hours. How can a professional shop spend a full 20 hours on one head?
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Thanks for that, but that's crazy. Good machine shops here clean, shave and pressure test heads in an afternoon for around $100. How does one spend 10 hours on one head?

And I can have the head out myself in 2-3 hours. How can a professional shop spend a full 20 hours on one head?
The labor I gave for the warranty time is including the machine work, not 10 hours for doing the machine work. I wouldn't trust the work of a machinist that is only charging $100 to do a cylinder head because in my experience you get what you pay for with machine work.

The amount a shop charges has nothing to do with how long it takes them. just based on looking at a 300 Tdi, I could probably do the head gasket in under 6 hours easily, but that doesn't mean that I would only charge 6 hours. I also quoted you on the high side for the customer pay labor based on the fact that the shop probably doesn't do a lot of 300 Tdi work, so they will probably charge more since they will expect hiccups. Mechanics are paid by the job, not hourly, and they don't work to make 40 hours a week.
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Thanks for that, but that's crazy. Good machine shops here clean, shave and pressure test heads in an afternoon for around $100. How does one spend 10 hours on one head?

And I can have the head out myself in 2-3 hours. How can a professional shop spend a full 20 hours on one head?
There is a fundamental difference between hours charged and actual time elapsed.

Its a shitty concept ... it would be much easier if the shop quoted in 'complexity cost units'

Jimmy and I were talking about this last night ... for some tasks land rover mandates the shop has $60k of test gear ....and for others you just need a wrench; others have unknown complexity or risk ... rusty bolts, unfamiliar job ... Elapsed time is only one factor.

The cost to the shop of doing a particular task varies wildly. Unfortunately shops quote this in hours.

In reality the job may take 6 hours but the risk, unfamiliarity etc will cause the price to be padded to where they are comfortable they are going to make margin ...
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$2250 @ 15 hours at a labor rate of $150
$3000 @ 20
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