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Old June 19th, 2014, 02:17 PM
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Crazy isn't it. I am of the mind set that people should be tested on a manual gearbox before getting their licenses. And it is the main reason I could care less about most new cars these days. I don't care how much more efficient the new autos gearboxes are. I like the manual for off road use better as well.
Used to be a different liscense in MA, one for auto and one for auto and manual transmission
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4.2 are fine, but they are not much better than a 3.9 IME. Note there are two 4.2 engines, the v belt 93-94 and the serp belt 95. You want the former for the easier swap.

Now LWBs have climbed in price and miles it is not as cheap of a swap as it used to be. For me, a 4.6 block (top hat liner if you have the money) with a crank spacer everything else 3.9 14cux is the ticket. 4.6 motors are getting really cheap used these days with the early p38a being scrapped.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 03:21 PM
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Used to be a different liscense in MA, one for auto and one for auto and manual transmission
No shit - I've had a MA license back in the 80's and didn't know there was a test for manual gearbox.
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I hope I am not high jacking this thread, but if I am please let me know.

So along the same lines, I have an'86 D110 with the 3.5L Carburators and over 150K miles on it. What would be the most economical "upgrade" that can be made in order to gain more horsepower and torque, without an engine swap to a 3.9 or 4.2?

Cam shafts? Crank & pistons? Better carbs? Fuel injection conversion?

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FWIW, I was all ready to upgrade from a 3.5 low compression to a 4.2. But Doug Shipman talked me out of it, and into a slightly modded 3.9 instead. The hp & torque advantage of the 4.2 over the 3.9 is minimal, and parts for the 3.9 are much more readily available. Plus the 4.2's are getting rarer...

I was talked out of a 4.6 by several people, although I was never a big fan of that motor myself, having had two of them in the past ('00 Range Rover 4.6HSE & '04 Discovery 2 SE7) and had problems with both.

Hijazi: if your 3.5 is the low compression version like mine, I suggest an engine swap.

If it's RHD, you can put a 5.0 Ford V8 in there. Not sure I want to go that far...
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Gems 4.6(p38) are way better them the Bosch (d2's)4.6's in my opinion, we see also less issues with them! With that said to upgrade to a 4.2 is a waste of money over building a beefy 3.9.
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I hope I am not high jacking this thread, but if I am please let me know.

So along the same lines, I have an'86 D110 with the 3.5L Carburators and over 150K miles on it. What would be the most economical "upgrade" that can be made in order to gain more horsepower and torque, without an engine swap to a 3.9 or 4.2?

Cam shafts? Crank & pistons? Better carbs? Fuel injection conversion?

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The most economical thing would probably be to buy a running RRC and take the motor and fuel injection out of it. I've had a lot of bad experiences with junkyard parts.
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Gems 4.6(p38) are way better them the Bosch (d2's)4.6's in my opinion, we see also less issues with them! With that said to upgrade to a 4.2 is a waste of money over building a beefy 3.9.
So what's the best way to build a beefy 3.9?
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Don't start with a land rover engine and don't start with a land rover as a vehicle.
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Don't start with a land rover engine and don't start with a land rover as a vehicle.
nailed it!! Talk to jimmy or drew they are the experts! I just regurgitate what they say, cam to start
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Don't start with a land rover engine and don't start with a land rover as a vehicle.
We are under the assumption that he doesn't want a crap vehicle. I heard you like Chevrolet?
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FWIW, The hp & torque advantage of the 4.2 over the 3.9 is minimal, and parts for the 3.9 are much more readily available. Plus the 4.2's are getting rarer...
The only parts that are different are the crank/rods/pistons. Since one typically needs a new engine if any of those need replacemnt. I don't get this statement @ all.
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We are under the assumption that he doesn't want a crap vehicle. I heard you like Chevrolet?
I'm not a fan of anything that's been made in the US ... No offense but it's all low quality, cheaply built and poorly designed.

The Chevy volt is / was a decent looking car, Tesla looks like every other Korean large exec saloon but they have major design and execution flaws.
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Perhaps I'm chasing a unicorn, the idea is not to swap the 3.5 with anything, but rather improve on it. I've been reading up on the 215 Buick/Rover and see that it can be made to output up to 200HP easily, but that would still mean major machine shop work and upgrades including boring the block.

What I'm after, if possible (that's where the unicorn comes in!) is increasing horsepower and torque with some "minor" inexpensive mods. Mine is the low compression 3.5L model, so can the compression be safely increased for example by changing some parts, or would an intake manifold and carburator swap to an Edelbrock do the trick? Or perhaps something else?

Here is the intake: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...erformer.shtml and the carb: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...s/thunder.shtm
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FWIW, I was all ready to upgrade from a 3.5 low compression to a 4.2. But Doug Shipman talked me out of it, and into a slightly modded 3.9 instead. The hp & torque advantage of the 4.2 over the 3.9 is minimal, and parts for the 3.9 are much more readily available. Plus the 4.2's are getting rarer...

I was talked out of a 4.6 by several people, although I was never a big fan of that motor myself, having had two of them in the past ('00 Range Rover 4.6HSE & '04 Discovery 2 SE7) and had problems with both.

Hijazi: if your 3.5 is the low compression version like mine, I suggest an engine swap.

If it's RHD, you can put a 5.0 Ford V8 in there. Not sure I want to go that far...
I had the low compression 3.5, (really low like 0 on a few cylinders) I replaced it with a 3.9 with the 230 cam, edelbrock intake and holley 390 carb. It's got great power, and the 110 will scoot pretty damn good. Now I just need a transmission to replace the 4 speed LT95.

I would love to hear more about the 5.0 Ford conversion. (I have 5.0's laying around) I cut my teeth on that motor and it's always been one of my favorite motors. So got any links or info?
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I would love to hear more about the 5.0 Ford conversion. (I have 5.0's laying around) I cut my teeth on that motor and it's always been one of my favorite motors. So got any links or info?
There has been an ad in 'Land Rover Owner International' magazine for a 'coming soon, Ford 5.0 conversion' and ECR has done them, although it only works in RHD rigs (according to ECR). I'd get hold of them & see...
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Mine is definitely RHD. I got pulled over in Ohio today. The cop thought the driver was texting and driving (my wife) was sitting up front on the left playing on her phone and he didn't realize I was driving on the right side

A kit from ECR would be way outside of my price range. I'll keep an eye on the magazine though, thanks for the tip.
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I'm not a fan of anything that's been made in the US ... No offense but it's all low quality, cheaply built and poorly designed. The Chevy volt is / was a decent looking car, Tesla looks like every other Korean large exec saloon but they have major design and execution flaws.

I hate to tell you this but British stuff isn't any better than us stuff... And that's the high end British stuff lol... It's not the fine engineering thar goes into a rover that causes this crazy infatuation....
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Its a major anti theft device in the US ....
Not in Texas. The ones stealing cars here drive Chevy full size pickups with awful sounding V6 and manual trannies as their personal vehicles.
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Mine is definitely RHD. I got pulled over in Ohio today. The cop thought the driver was texting and driving (my wife) was sitting up front on the left playing on her phone and he didn't realize I was driving on the right side A kit from ECR would be way outside of my price range. I'll keep an eye on the magazine though, thanks for the tip.
You should have told the officer, your wife realized she was busted and gave you the wheel. Lol
A friend of mine did that in his Mercedes. He was a little intoxicated, and passenger said she would drive. So he pulled the steering wheel of and passed it to her. It was a very old car. The wheel probably was not on very good.
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