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Old February 9th, 2011, 09:10 AM
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Depending on the price and performance I would be interested.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 09:13 AM
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One of the main issues we have had in doing this is the body flex that all that weight causes. If you hang a 35 and cans and such off the factory points on a 90 ST the body will flex so badly that the tailgate will not close right.
The original SG design had you weld a brace from a backing plate to the RH rear inner roll cage. This worked pretty well, but it also then made it impossible to service the bracket and such, unless you cut the weld.

There are answers out there to all these problems.

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If you make it right and it looks good, we will buy them.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 11:31 AM
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Old February 9th, 2011, 11:33 AM
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One of the main issues we have had in doing this is the body flex that all that weight causes. If you hang a 35 and cans and such off the factory points on a 90 ST the body will flex so badly that the tailgate will not close right.
The original SG design had you weld a brace from a backing plate to the RH rear inner roll cage. This worked pretty well, but it also then made it impossible to service the bracket and such, unless you cut the weld.

There are answers out there to all these problems.

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would incorporating the use of the step bumper into the design address some of these issues?
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Old February 9th, 2011, 11:37 AM
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I might be interested if it is improved enough over the original SG design. I have a SG one that I had to modify to make it functional with with the SD ladder on my SW. With that being said I'm pretty happy with it and it's held up for a number of years on rough roads. Due to the location of the ladders I'm unable to utlilize SG's stock Hi-Lift mounting points. With the carrier loaded up with a 35" tire and two fuel tanks my opinion is that it is near the maximum weight (I'm also tied into the inner roll cage as ECR mentioned above). In my current configuration I would't add a Hi-Lift and Pull Pall without some additional structural reinforcements. Looking forward to your thoughts and ingenuity with this project, good luck!
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Old February 9th, 2011, 11:52 AM
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The weight and body mounting is the issue along with trying to make it as universal as possible. For fitting to a NAS Soft Top or ROW wagon.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 12:06 PM
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would incorporating the use of the step bumper into the design address some of these issues?
Not really. The lower pivot holds up pretty well.
It is the upper one that has tons of leverage on it that causes the issues.

A lot of the off road guys ditch the factory step bumper as well, so it would limit things if it was tied in with that piece.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 01:44 PM
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Does the Mantec have the same issues? Or is it because of the combination of the larger tire weight and the gas cans?

-Jeff
IMO the Mantec would have the same issue if you put a 35 and some other extra weight on it.
The Defender body just isn't strong enough on its own to handle that weight, unless you stiffen it.

Example:
On this project we did a custom rear tire carrier that carried a lot of stuff the customer wanted. We had to make a brace inside the RH rear of the tub in order to keep the door opening correctly, otherwise the weight would twist the body out of shape, and that was on a Wagon. Its harder on the soft tops and that truck didn't have anything as heavy as a 35 on it.
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/312.html

Jeeps and such solve this issue by running a huge post/pivot that takes the weight off the body.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 03:34 PM
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Oliver,

Glad to hear you guys are thawed out up there and you have some projects going. I have the SG carrier and I reinforced the upper pivot arm and that really took care of any flex problems. My carrier has the bump stop near the tag instead of on the bottom near the rear cross member. Not sure if that was a early design or late as I bought used.......but it works well in that location. I can send some pics if you need to see.

I just came down from a big powder day; it was really cold (-5F) but somehow I got here to work w/ my hair wet w/ sweat. I thought about coming up there and skiing w/ you guys a couple weeks ago but w/ the road closed over the pass it transforms a 3 hour drive into a 5.5 hour drive. I have some buddies that came up and skied Siverton a few weeks ago and said it was epic. Tell everyone I said hello and see you guys in the spring....

Oh and yes my struck started last week when it was -26F............of course we had no natural gas but that is an entirely different matter. Finally restored yesterday after 5 days w/ no heat.......I guess there are advantages to propane!
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Old February 9th, 2011, 06:20 PM
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Long time no see. We have had some really nice below zero weather this winter and very little snow at our house. Skiing has been great up at Purg. Are you going to the Arizona rally?
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Old February 9th, 2011, 06:35 PM
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:12 PM
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Oliver,

No I am not going to the AZ rally; but I will see you guys after 04/15. My ski pass is good at Purg too.............
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:27 PM
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Oliver, the organizers aren't in yet come-on, just tell the clients you're going to extend.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:35 PM
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:41 PM
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Oh I always file an extension. I was thinking of poor Todd slaving away down there in Taos skiing in the morning and counting peoples money in the afternoon.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 12:11 AM
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Todd is great- let my buddies and me crash at his casa after a nice day of skiing at Taos in 2000- three defenders('94 ST, '95SW and his '95ST) and his series in one place at the same time was great!!!

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Old February 10th, 2011, 04:10 PM
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Wow you know me well; I just got down from skiing. Warmer this morning it was only -10F. If anyone else on the list is ever out this way we have a place to stay for you but you must be driving the D90; you know if we let Jay and his buddies stay we will pretty much let anyone...............

Oh yea we are only 1.5 hours south of the legendary Mt Blanca; looks like Blanca will be open early in June this year unless we get some really big storms in the next few months. If anyone wants to do Blanca this summer we are always looking for people to go.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 06:58 PM
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Is it Okay if I show up in a 110. I don't think you have seen my new project
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