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Old May 27th, 2011, 05:45 PM
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ROW vs. NAS Fuel Tank

OK everyone, time for my next blonde question.

My ROW 300Ti D90 has the tank under the right hand front seat, as they all did as far as I can tell. The problem is that it sits wayy low, just asking to get smashed with a rock and destroyed. Also along with that, it only holds 12 gallons.

So, I am looking at one of two things:

1) Replace the ROW tank with whatever the NAS trucks have. However I don't know how the tank mounts to the frame back there, and if my frame can do that. It's a new galvy frame of unknown origin.

2) Protect the living crap out of the tank. Does anyone have any suggestions?

I might also do both, and get more range by using both a NAS tank and the original tank. Has anyone heard of doing this?
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Old May 27th, 2011, 05:51 PM
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The nas tank is nla so you might want to protect the shit out of yours
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Old May 27th, 2011, 05:53 PM
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By 1998 the ROW 90's had rear mounted tanks like the NAS models - get one of those out of England and run dual tanks.
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The TD5 tank is the same as the NAS one as well if you want to go that route. You'll need to fab up some mounts and get a decent skid plate for it as well.
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Different tank though right?
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Anyone find a fuel cel that would fit where the stock tank is?
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I have not seen one in the flesh but afaik it looks very much the same, but the pumps don't match so there are some differences. But nothing that can't be worked around (like buying the appropriate pump - i think a D2 one fits).

Here, from the horses mouth: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...40&postcount=8
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I have a bling tank guard for my ROW side mounted tank. You can get them from Lucky8. The guard I have is alm. and very heavy duty. The problem with the side tank is it does hang low in off road situations. The good about it is it acts as a good slider. The rear tanks I have seen also work well with a guard/slider, however do hang a little lower. So the question is more of availability, running lines, and how you want to drive off road. On my ROW 90 I just pay attention to the right side but don't have to worry about the rear.
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Well, the tank pump is a non-issue due to it being a Tdi... I could just plumb in a transfer pump from the rear tank to the seat tank I suppose. Find a way to fill it (maybe a transfer pump into it as well?) and whammo done. If I luck out I could also get a tank sender for it and my gauge problem is sorted as well.

To say Justin's site is a pain to find things on is a massive understatement. I will e-mail him. He is also getting ready to sell a wheel-arch tank that might also work.
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I've got one of these for my right hand side tank:

http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/OFF_...sed_Steel.html

It is very strong and short of landmine I think my tank is now safe. The mounting hard ware is not shown in the photo but it is attached to the frame at the front and rear and the left side and has a bar that runs along the sill for it to attach to on the right hand side. Steel is about a 1/4" thick and well galvanized.
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My ROW 300Ti D90 has the tank under the right hand front seat, as they all did as far as I can tell. The problem is that it sits wayy low, just asking to get smashed with a rock and destroyed. Also along with that, it only holds 12 gallons.
Are you sure it's 12 gallons? My ROW 110 TDI holds 20 gallons (I just filled up yesterday from nearly dry). Are the 90 tanks smaller than 110 tanks?

I have a Mantec fuel tank guard.
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Are you sure it's 12 gallons? My ROW 110 TDI holds 20 gallons (I just filled up yesterday from nearly dry). Are the 90 tanks smaller than 110 tanks?

I have a Mantec fuel tank guard.
Yeah, the 110 tanks are in the back somewhere as far as I know. Mine is directly under the front right hand seat, in the seat box.
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It is 12 imperial gallons though... 14.3 US gallons, 55 liters. IIRC, I measured 53 liters until is runs dry.

Many fit the TD5 rear tank. It will require modifications to fit (the frames are different) and you may need to change the exhaust to clear. There are lots of writeups on UK forums. If you have access to a UK junkyard, it is a low cost way to go. Note you need to protect the rear tanks as well. They are all plastic.

I did my own tank. It allowed me to get maximum capacity and ensure it is strong. I got 63 liters (16.7 US gallons) useable out of it. http://www.red90.ca/photos/land-rovers/90-Rear-Tank/
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The TDI tank might work for you because your truck is not an NAS. AFAIK, that NAS tank was totally 1-off for our trucks, and prices reflect it's near obsolescence.

If you do want to experiment with a NAS tank, I have one that needs repairs.
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We can supply a skid plate for ROW 90 fuel tanks. Made from 1/4 inch 5052 aluminum
$270 plus shipping
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Yeah, the 110 tanks are in the back somewhere as far as I know.
Between the frame rails, right in front of the rear cross member. Just like the RRC and D1.
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The last of the UK Tdi and RoW 90 tanks were rear mounted like the NAS. all Td5 and Puma have the rear mounted tanks.

(110's always had rear mounted tanks)

The 110 and 90 rear tanks are different, 90 is slightly smaller.

There's a thread on LR4x4 about fitting the rear tank to a 90... in short, you need to trim the rear crossmember slightly (or fit a Td5 one) and fab up some lower mounting brackets. or you can buy the brackers from Richards chassis for about 60 UK a pair (i got a quote from them a while back for the Tdi to Td5 chassis conversion i'm doing at the moment on my currently project90)

you can get the various fuel pumps (Td5) or just the Tdi "pump" (as it's called in the parts book) which is just a pickup pipe with the proper top fitting for the tank.
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or you can buy the brackers from Richards chassis for about 60 UK a pair (i got a quote from them a while back for the Tdi to Td5 chassis conversion i'm doing at the moment on my currently project90)
Mmh, are these brackets different from the NAS ones? I believe people have asked them before for these and the answer was no. Perhaps we just need to ask for td5 brackets?

Oh, and where's the build thread for the project 90?
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Mmh, are these brackets different from the NAS ones? I believe people have asked them before for these and the answer was no. Perhaps we just need to ask for td5 brackets?

There was someone on here selling laser cut? brackets to weld on for the tank mounts... they looked identical to the Td5 ones over here. the NAS fuel tank guard also looks identical to the Td5 ones, as does how the antiroll bar bolts on too, so i'd say they were the same.





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Oh, and where's the build thread for the project 90?
Not got around to starting that yet! got loads of photo's though... will have to open a thread up.

just fitting and modifying the Td5 loom into the bulkhead at the moment.
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I've got one of these for my right hand side tank:

http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/OFF_...sed_Steel.html

It is very strong and short of landmine I think my tank is now safe. The mounting hard ware is not shown in the photo but it is attached to the frame at the front and rear and the left side and has a bar that runs along the sill for it to attach to on the right hand side. Steel is about a 1/4" thick and well galvanized.
That certainly looks like it would do the job. I'd fit one if I still had a 90 to fit it to
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