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Old January 21st, 2014, 06:57 PM
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Rover 44 vs BMW 4.4 Same ?

what, if any are the differences in the Land Rover 4.4 V8 and the BMW 4.4 V8 ?
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Old January 21st, 2014, 07:10 PM
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they both suck
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they both suck
I'll agree that the BMW motor sucks, but what sucks about a Jaguar 4.4l? I think that's the best petrol motor Land Rover has used. I've seen them with well over 200k miles without a drip of oil underneath.
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Are we talking about in a Land Rover? Because my 2003 M5 with the 4.4 was a beast.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 07:59 PM
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This engine was from the era when BMW owned land rover . I would like to think they just swapped it in but I'm pretty sure some of the parts are different . Just need to find out what those deference are .
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ive always heard the BMW RRs were dookie, the Jag Rovers are top notch.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 08:25 PM
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Jaguar AJ-V8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_...Land_Rover_4.4

BMW M62

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62
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ive always heard the BMW RRs were dookie, the Jag Rovers are top notch.
They are. I hate when they come into the dealership, they are the new P38.

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This engine was from the era when BMW owned land rover . I would like to think they just swapped it in but I'm pretty sure some of the parts are different . Just need to find out what those deference are .
So you are talking about the BMW engined Range Rovers ('03-'05). I think everyone, including myself, is confused because the Jag motor is also a 4.4L. I have seen an engine out of a BMW in a Range Rover, but I don't know the differences. BMW used that motor in a bunch of models and variations.

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Also, BMW sold Land Rover to Ford in 2002, IIRC. BMW developed the L322 Range Rover, which is why it sports a BMW motor.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 10:20 PM
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I've also heard a clear preference for ford powered product.
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I've also heard a clear preference for ford powered product.
The V6? I would never want one.
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I think the v6 that they used were the 328 engines... 2.8litre. I heard they were fast but had the hp and torque in the wrong ranges for a 4x4.

Oops. Just realized that those engines were straight 6s.
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The V6? I would never want one.
The V8 is a Ford engine both Gas and diesel.
Nobody in their right mind would want the 4.0 v6 Explorer engine .

Unless you do.
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What motor that Land Rover uses is a Ford motor?
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What motor that Land Rover uses is a Ford motor?
The LR3 had the Ford 4l V6. Most of the diesels in the LR3, LR4, Defender and RR have been Ford engines since 2007ish.
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The LR3 had the Ford 4l V6. Most of the diesels in the LR3, LR4, Defender and RR have been Ford engines since 2007ish.
Sorry I meant to say V8. Rocky said the V8 is a ford engine...
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I believe Rocky is incorrect. The V8s gasoline engines are Jags and were BMWs for a short time. The original question is about the 4.4 l V8. There was both a BMW and a Jag version in the Range Rover.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_R...2.80.932012.29


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_...Land_Rover_4.4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62#M62TUB44
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The 5.0L is built in a Ford plant IIRC, but Ford doesn't use it.
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The 5.0L is built in a Ford plant IIRC, but Ford doesn't use it.
Still a Jaguar engine.
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The AJ-V8 engine is manufactured in an all-new, dedicated Jaguar facility located within the Ford Bridgend Engine Plant in Bridgend, South Wales.
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Here is the word on the AJ-V8 as used in Jag and Land Rovers. Produced at the plant within a plant at Ford's Bridgend engine factory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_AJ-V8_engine

FWIW, JLR is in the middle of building a new engine factory on a green site.near Wolverhampton. Whether this will produce these large gas V8s or not is not known. They've only talked about smaller engines there so far.
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The engine in the 03-05 L322 Range Rover was a BMW-derived unit. Closely related to the BMW 4.4L but with some changes to cope with the installation and usage for which the Range Rover was intended. No, not mall cruising but off-roading.

For example, the lubrication system was modified to deal with severe angles of operation to avoid oil starvation.

I worked on the Land Rover advertising business at the time and oversaw the website for the launch of the L322 so I became pretty familiar with it. But the rest of the engine details escape me (it's been a while.)
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