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Old January 20th, 2011, 03:28 PM
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Roll cage fabricators in NY/NJ area?

Im looking to get a roll bar made for my 1983 110. Something basic that will go behind the truck cab and sit below the plane of where a soft top would be.

ECR informed me that the SD version would be around $1200, and im not looking to spend that on 20 feet of steel.


Any suggestions? im in 10925 orange county NY

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Something as simple as this with possibly a cross support.

http://www.japanese4x4spares.co.uk/Roll-Bar01.jpg

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OR the one from all wheel trim

http://www.allwheeltrim.co.uk/Images...es/rollbar.JPG
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Old January 20th, 2011, 07:20 PM
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If you think that a qualified fabricator/welder will be any cheaper, you are out to lunch my friend.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 07:41 PM
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Do you really believe that a cheap, off the shelf bolt on roll cage will really protect you and a passenger or your kids?
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Old January 20th, 2011, 07:45 PM
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Concur with Carey. Matt at Rockware built the cage in my 110 SW which consisted of three hoops (behind driver, behind second row seats, and rear of tub), cross bars, and frame brackets and it was $2K+. To do it right, you need to tie the cage into the frame, so even with a single hoop, a couple down tubes, and brackets to tie back into the frame, I don't think a fabricator could do it for less than $1200.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 07:55 PM
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Yea im not looking to bolt it to the frame. My wheeling is very light, the 110 is a commuter vehicle.

Also I think a single hoop is plenty, I dont want a full cage on a pickup truck..it sorts defeats the purpose.

Ebay.co.uk must have at least 5 on there right now

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http://wap.ebay.co.uk/Pages/ViewItem...%20bar&emvcc=0


This would be perfect
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Old January 20th, 2011, 09:44 PM
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bloody hell where were you when I was trying to sell one of those at a loss for $500 for the better part of 2 years???

PS you really ought to bolt it to the frame...


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Yea im not looking to bolt it to the frame. My wheeling is very light, the 110 is a commuter vehicle.

Also I think a single hoop is plenty, I dont want a full cage on a pickup truck..it sorts defeats the purpose.

Ebay.co.uk must have at least 5 on there right now

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http://wap.ebay.co.uk/Pages/ViewItem...%20bar&emvcc=0


This would be perfect
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Speaking as a roll cage fabricator, what you are looking for will run about $400 if you are looking for a single hoop with rear supports, not bolted to the frame, and not powder coated. Add in some more bracing and tie it to the frame for about $300 more. All of that is made from 2" .120 wall DOM tube. I can do 1.75" and 1.5" diameter for slightly less. Powdercoating would be roughly $100.

Shop around, there are plenty of qualified fabricators that can make you something for a lot less than $1200.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 06:54 AM
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Speaking as a roll cage fabricator, what you are looking for will run about $400 if you are looking for a single hoop with rear supports, not bolted to the frame, and not powder coated. Add in some more bracing and tie it to the frame for about $300 more. All of that is made from 2" .120 wall DOM tube. I can do 1.75" and 1.5" diameter for slightly less. Powdercoating would be roughly $100.

Shop around, there are plenty of qualified fabricators that can make you something for a lot less than $1200.


Nice thanks for the input!

What is the "nominal" OD for defender roll bars? ie what looks good and gets the job done?
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Speaking as a roll cage fabricator, what you are looking for will run about $400 if you are looking for a single hoop with rear supports, not bolted to the frame, and not powder coated. Add in some more bracing and tie it to the frame for about $300 more. All of that is made from 2" .120 wall DOM tube. I can do 1.75" and 1.5" diameter for slightly less. Powdercoating would be roughly $100.

Shop around, there are plenty of qualified fabricators that can make you something for a lot less than $1200.
That's pretty funny. Nice try. Can I see your liability coverage information?
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Safety Devices cages are roughly 1.75". For your truck it depends on if its 3 or 5 doors. I'd do 1.75" behind the driver and tie it to the sides and do 2" in the rear if you did a full cage.
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The SD fakie PU "roll bar" is about $875. BTW.

When you ask me a price on the phone when Holly is out of the office, I'm gonna guess. I wasn't too far off.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:06 AM
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Ah ok cool, thanks for the update..its nothing personal...I really do appreciate you help in the matter
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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:11 AM
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Is there a point to device meant for safety if it hasn't been tested to provide that safety?
And doesn't the person making that device incur the liability if it fails?
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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:15 AM
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From experience,

When I flipped my 1996 F150 with 35s and no roll bar, the cab partially compressed but not enough to even touch my head. This is why im thinking a single tube may work for me as it must be stronger then the stamped steel of my old F150 cab
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And doesn't the person making that device incur the liability if it fails?
Yes they do, and that is why professional shops pay so much in insurance, and will sometimes refuse to make some things.
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From experience,

When I flipped my 1996 F150 with 35s and no roll bar, the cab partially compressed but not enough to even touch my head. This is why im thinking a single tube may work for me as it must be stronger then the stamped steel of my old F150 cab
An F150 has a lot more thought into its cab design then the thin alloy of a Defender.
To each his own, but if you think the metal in a 110 PU cab is going to do anything other than squish you are wrong.

Honestly, even SD cages are OK, but not amazing. Racing cages and rock crawler cages are vastly superior. The SD is what I call the minimum. Anything else is for looks.
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I guess if you have no sense of responsibility to for your own actions, then yes. If you are realistic in your expectations for protection in an off road situation, then no. I worked with Jonathan to build a cage that was more or less my design. Not that it was anything unusual. We never actually finished it and it is still just bolted to the body. But if it were to fail, it would be my fault as the designer. That's just my opinion.

That said, there are plenty of good rollover protection examples for Land Rovers that one could work from, and that have been tested plenty.

Now if Scary Carey were to build a cage for me and it later failed, I would try to take him for everything he has. Now that I know he has good coverage


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I guess if you have no sense of responsibility to for your own actions, then yes. If you are realistic in your expectations for protection in an off road situation, then no. I worked with Jonathan to build a cage that was more or less my design. Not that it was anything unusual. We never actually finished it and it is still just bolted to the body. But if it were to fail, it would be my fault as the designer. That's just my opinion.

That said, there are plenty of good rollover protection examples for Land Rovers that one could work from, and that have been tested plenty.

Now if Scary Carey were to build a cage for me and it later failed, I would try to take him for everything he has. Now that I know he has good coverage
That's funny Dave. The only thing is, mine would be made out of wood. I build furniture. Tell Evan I said hello.
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Gotta love it. I only met that guy once at Tom B.s place. I thought the comment was uncalled for. Glad to hear you are branching out.
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Yea im not looking to bolt it to the frame. My wheeling is very light, the 110 is a commuter vehicle.

Also I think a single hoop is plenty, I dont want a full cage on a pickup truck..it sorts defeats the purpose.

Ebay.co.uk must have at least 5 on there right now

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http://wap.ebay.co.uk/Pages/ViewItem...%20bar&emvcc=0


This would be perfect
There is absolutely no point at all to bolt that to your truck. It would rip out with any impact at all. Might as well hold your hands over your head in a crash.

You can find people for cheap, but go to the frame.
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