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Old January 12th, 2007, 09:24 PM
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You need at least an 8" wide rim to safely run that width tire. You are talking about putting a tire on a rim less than half it width. 8" wide rims are safe but will be more likely to "break a bead" (that is loose their seal around the rim) if air down. Most tire manufacturers recommend a 10" wide tire for 33x12.50s.
As for the kind of wheels that will fit, I will leave that to the others (I haven't started my wheel hunt yet).

Hope this helps. -Scott
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Old January 12th, 2007, 10:30 PM
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Thanks again guys. Esp. Buck. I know this much. I have stock alloys and need new tires. Am scowering (sp) the board looking for ways to set up my D right the first time without $1000 mistakes. That might kill me and errr, that might kill me.

Looks like the majority preference is for steel wheels. The only ones I found were, WOLF 16X 6.5.
Am concerned about the 6.5 vs factory 7" Am thinking a wider rim would be safer/more reliable and the 33X12.5s (Think they were only for 15 inch rims) seem to fill the wheel well without adverse mods and effects.

Looked at other tires and think the BFG MT KM in 255X85R16 will work well and fill the wheel well (vertically)too. Discount Tires will also sipe them. But I would still be on a 6.5 base rim size.

Is there an advantage to the 15 inch rims? If I got 33X12.5R15 would there be a disadvantage? eg. need axle upgrade, less torque, less speed... Looking at all possibilites. Would adding wheel spacers add to the stability? Or is this more global warming stuff? Am I wrong in thinking that a wider rim is better?

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Oh, yeah. No more lift than at present. Standard OME Spring lift.
Hi Shake,

Thanks for the kind words. It sounds like you are pretty sure at this point that you like the 33x12.50 tires. Now you are looking for wheels to match? Lets start with the easy part, you want 8in wide. They are wide enough to wear the tire evenly but not too wide to cause interference problems or get banged up too easily. As to the wheel diameter, it is really a matter of preference. Like I mentioned, you can go 15, 16, 17, even 20 in that size. The idea for larger wheels is two things, looks, and more stability on side hills (less rubber to roll under). The idea for smaller wheels is cheaper, less weight, more tire.

It really is up to you as there is not a right or wrong. But, my opinion has always been the rule of at least 10. You want at least 10in under your wheel. That, of course means there is 10in on top of the wheel too. Basically, run a 15in rim up to 35in tires. Run a 17in rim with 37in tires or larger, and have at least a 40in tire to run 20in rims.

Once you make your decision, you can get wheels from here: www.trekoutfitters.com or Discount tire has AR. As to tires; there are a lot of good tires out there today. When you figure it out, what I would do is check out 4WPW and the site: www.4x4groupbuy.com Once you find a great deal, print it out and take it to Discount tire and they will beat the price. There awesome to deal with. The deal for MT/Rs right now on group buy is $172. Not bad.

Good luck!

edit: You won't need wheel spacers if you get new wheels. If you keep the stock wheels, the spacers will help the turning radius. I think that any noticable difference in stability is probably imagined. I think I am something like 8-10in wider than stock and I don't really notice much difference.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 12:28 PM
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Buck, Am still thinking. Have learned enough to know there is "just one more thing" to do when anything is switched. Have the standard lift gained with OME HD springs. Plan on installing an ARB B.Guard with WARN XD9000i winch.

Am considering A) Just buying new BFG MT KMs, siped, in 265X75R16
B) BFG MT KM in 255X85XR16, siped on stock alloys OR WOLF NATO steelies (Curious about the implications of losing 1/2 inch of rim when switching to NATO rims)
C) Switching to 15X8 rims and 33X12.5 BFG MT KM, siped

Are there any hidden surprises in switching to option B or C? New brake lines, axles, eyebrowe trimming, wheel well trimming, new trailing arms, power loss etc.

Appreciate opinions/direct experience...Previous posts dabble on the topics but do not appear to be specific. Thanks. Lots of useful info. gained so far. Lots!!
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I'm in the same boat as Shake right now, but he's got the paddle :D

I have decided to stick with 33" tires 15" steel rims. What I don't know is

1. will 12.5 wide fit without rubbing? 10" limits me from trying the Trxs super swampers which I am considering as well as my current choice of BFG MT's.
2. What the ideal rim width is
3. What the ideal backspacing is (I assume the tire width is a factor)

It looks like I'll need to call some of these vendors as none of them list steel wheels with the 5 on 6.5 pattern.

Any advise or suggestions appreciated.

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Old January 19th, 2007, 09:53 PM
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I'm running 15x8 steel from Rover Accessories. Only cost $50 or so each. They're black with holes in a ring around the center. I think Charles called them Unique rims.
Charles,

The quote above is from this thread. They have 15s. Prob are others but I couldn't find them.
Is it me, or is Gulf Coast Rovers site blowing up everytime you hit their link???? Suppose to be more steelies there.Look at Buck's post too. He has a link to Treck outfitters

Had a fleeting moment of brilliance and realized if I wasn't careful I'd end up putting mods on my truck perfect for MS or Canada but maybe not CO. So I checked our local board (Solihull Society) and asked what was working here. If you check the Solihull board look at the latest thread "Another Tire and Wheel Question."

You can also find tire size comparisons (inch/metric). So now I'm looking at 285X75R16s...BFG MT KMs or ATs. If I remember correctly that is a 32.6 inch tire. (take that with a grain of salt) According to the guys..No whacky mods/trimming or additional $ traps with that size. Really recommend you read that thread and search on that board. Guys have been GREAT here! No problem. Just found a tailored solution to my situation that might help you.

Re: Me and a paddle. Not a good idea. The only thing I ever did with a paddle...(Right after I heard my Dad tell his drinking buddy that he " Couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a paddle") ...was take the paddle out of Pop's canoe that he used for the Boy Scouts, climb in our bull's pen, and smack him on the ass to show them both that IT WASN'T THAT HARD. (I was 7) Pop had to shoot him with a 30-06 to save my life. The only thing that saved me from a whipping was Pop's friend laughing. Reggie Bush didn't have anything on me that day. That was one huuuge, pissed off bovine. Damn near 40 years ago and I haven't gone near anything with a paddle or horns since. So, back awaaaaay from the paddle, eh?
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Old January 19th, 2007, 10:22 PM
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You can also find tire size comparisons (inch/metric). So now I'm looking at 285X75R16s...BFG MT KMs or ATs. If I remember correctly that is a 32.6 inch tire. (take that with a grain of salt) According to the guys..No whacky mods/trimming or additional $ traps with that size.
This is what I run right now (with a 2" OME lift) and love them (other than the fact I need to replace at least 2 of them). Here are the issues though

1. I have put a serious lip bend in one of my rims and it's likely to keep happening. They are also getting a fair amount of rock rash. With steelies I'm a rattle can away from fixing rock rash, and i assume their profile will limit the amount of scratching anyway. If they get bent I think there is a chance of bending them back, and if not, they are a lot cheaper to replace.

2. Have you compared the price of those tires? I can get 15" tires plus the rims for almost the cost of the 16" ones alone.

I'm pretty much a cheap bastard I guess I do like the stock rim look, but honestly I'm just ruining them. Pretty much all I want to do is find a steel rim with the equivalent backspacing of the stock rims, and put 33" BFG MTs on them. Sounds simple doesn't it....


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Re: Me and a paddle. Not a good idea. ....
ROFL

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Oh, the GCR site loads fine for me here. I think those might be my rims
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Old January 20th, 2007, 11:18 AM
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Crap. Every time I get to GCR's main page it blows up when I click on the links to enter the site.
I want new steelies...Wah! RN said the Wolf wheels are 6.5" wide, the stock rims are 7" wide...I want 8' wide..

RE: Tire cost. Yeah, basically. I am a cheap bastard too. But if I only have 4 points of contact with the ground, they are going to be the best I can find. Then I am going to follow Buck's advice...Then take the price to Discount Tires to beat.

I've been told that 8 and 10 inches are best on the tires you want...But don't miss the, "I've been told part." Ask a pro. I don't know jack for sure on most aspects of D'. Still learning. What got my attention right away was the logic, or lack thereof, of running 12.5'wide tires on Wolf rims that are about 1/2 as wide as the tire. Hmmm

Charles...Saw you checking out the 5 15" rims and tires for sale. Did he ever tell you how wide the rims were?
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Old January 20th, 2007, 11:22 AM
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Jeez! You got something against RA?! Just call Charles and talk to him. He'll set you straight.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 11:40 AM
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I can get the 15x7 or 16x7 steel wheels directly from American Racing if that's what you want.

They'll ship directly to you and bill me ... so I kinda hope you'd pay me if those are what you want.

No biggie either way.

Oh, and I think the 285's are a little wide for the 7" wheels anyway ... my M/T 235's are on NATO wheels rignt now and my 255's are on 8" wheels .. I'm way more comfortable with those.

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Old January 20th, 2007, 07:47 PM
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Jeez! You got something against RA?! Just call Charles and talk to him. He'll set you straight.
Either my computer is horked or they have a problem with their web page. Can't get to the tires and wheels. All I see is the chains and the internal bead locks. Just called them...Closed on Saturday.

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I can get the 15x7 or 16x7 steel wheels directly from American Racing if that's what you want.

They'll ship directly to you and bill me ... so I kinda hope you'd pay me if those are what you want.

No biggie either way.

Oh, and I think the 285's are a little wide for the 7" wheels anyway ... my M/T 235's are on NATO wheels rignt now and my 255's are on 8" wheels .. I'm way more comfortable with those.

KAA
Thanks for the help. Agree with you...from what I've read. The guys out here are running 285s on stock alloys.
I'd prefer a 16X8 inch steel wheel. Where did you find the 8 inch wheels? Are they 16X8 or 15X8?
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Here is the direct link to the pages on the GCR site for the 7" and 8" rims. I can't see this model on the AR site though

http://www.gulfcoastrovers.com/rover...15x7/index.htm
http://www.gulfcoastrovers.com/rover...15x8/index.htm

I have been advised that 15x7 is better for a 33x10.5" tire as it will hold a bead better when aired down. Anyone disagree?

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15x8 or 15x7, whatever you want. I doubt that you are going to get down in the 5-6 psi range where it matters.
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Well, I'm as frustrated as can be...None of the links you guys gave me work because my PC is horking me. None of the Sites that I have found, have cool looking, black, steel wheels (or any other kind) in 16X8, no fake bead locks, with our bolt pattern. Feel like a guy in the desert that just popped a viagra. More than ready to buy...and nowhere to get my stuff. The specs on the new BFG MT KM call for a 7 1/2 to 9 inch rim. Think I'll just go hump my PC. <rickarickaricka-squeak, ah>
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Here is what the AR 15x8 looks like shown on GCR
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Here is what the AR 15x8 looks like shown on GCR
Thanks, Charles! That would be the perfect style. Did they have that rim in 16X8 or 16X8 1/2.

(BTW The tire I was talking about was 285X75R16.) Know what that wheel model number was? I sent them an email so I'm expecting a phone call.

Thanks again...Much appreciated.
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No, just in 16x7 ($61 each) and no model #

http://www.gulfcoastrovers.com/rover...16x7/index.htm says

Steel, 16" x 7" Nugget

Width 7 inch

Black Powder Coated (Matte finish)

Shy of 4 Back Spacing

DOT Approved

Factory Workmanship Warranty

Shipping weight: 30 lbs. per wheel

Box dimensions: 18" x 18" x 9"

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Thanks, Charles! That would be the perfect style. Did they have that rim in 16X8 or 16X8 1/2.

(BTW The tire I was talking about was 285X75R16.) Know what that wheel model number was? I sent them an email so I'm expecting a phone call.

Thanks again...Much appreciated.
These are available in the 16x8 for around $60. Standard 4in backspacing but any custom backspacing can be ordered. The ones in the pics are 15x8 with 3in backspacing. Contact Carol at www.trekoutfitters.com She's very nice.
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These are available in the 16x8 for around $60. Standard 4in backspacing but any custom backspacing can be ordered. The ones in the pics are 15x8 with 3in backspacing. Contact Carol at www.trekoutfitters.com She's very nice.
Yeehah! WTG Buck. Ordered! "fibe ub dem" Talked to Tina. Nice. Will take about 3-4 weeks cause the Ausies just ordered damn near every wheel the factory had. Something going on down there. Anyway, I'm set for a while. The wheels you showed aren't on her webpage 'cause she's updating it and reorganizing it. Thanks again. You too Charles, for trying. BTW Trek is moving to Colorado this summer. What the hell is going on with "Rover Accesories?"
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