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Old December 29th, 2015, 11:37 PM
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Restoration: Staying Organized

Hi,

I would like to ask those of you who has tackled defender restoration projects.

How did you stay organized? Both physical organization and conceptually.

I have seen people printing out exploded diagrams and use that as a road map for small pieces of projects. Like Diagrams with parts and part numbers?

Is there such thing for Defenders?

Thank you for your help.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:06 AM
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Ziplock, the Haynes Manual, and this forum will be your best friends.

Granted, I haven't gone full monty, but I've followed many resto threads. It seems most first timers with big balls take lots of photos and index every take off piece and keep them grouped and contained in well labeled ziplocks. Some of the old guard of this forum build them in their sleep.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:11 AM
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An organized storage system, index cards, ziplock bags, divided plastic storage containers, a good memory and lots of pictures. Since I have restoration projects that have stretched over twenty years so its real important to document stuff.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:33 AM
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Take lots of pictures, LOTS! Ziplock freezer bags and a Sharpie marker help a lot too
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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:34 AM
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zip locks and sharpie markers, yellow paint pens, tan masking tape and a sharpie for labeling non obvious wiring connections, iphone pictures, plastic tubs labeled by project etc. Still, as anyone who has been here will tell you
you end up with piles since most rover parts wont fit in ziplocks or totes.
We usually have several trucks pulled apart so marking components with a yellow paint pen makes sure that certain large things piled together stay with the right truck-axles for instance
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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:43 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. I see a repeating theme. Documentation.

Knowing that I will have many bolts and nuts combo that I will need to cut/grind/hammer/torch/xxxx out, do you guys go to hardware store with shopping list each time you need something or do have stash of bolts and nuts in your shop?
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Pictures pictures pictures.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 01:03 AM
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Do you guys go to hardware store with shopping list each time you need something or do have stash of bolts and nuts in your shop?
My wife keeps my nuts in a drawer.

But in all seriousness, fastenal and west marine are better/safer bets if you are going with some SS and for the odd metrics.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 01:36 AM
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Metric 10.9 Hex Flange bolts & Nuts M6 M8 M10 229pcs

Would this be useful?
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Old December 30th, 2015, 06:09 AM
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If you wish to use the same as OEM, I don't think you'll find that many flange applications. I prefer hex and washers.

A high grade kit is convenient to have in the garage for various projects, but it will not come with many of the sizes/lengths you'll need. For a single restoration I think money is better spent going through the parts manual, making a specific list, and buying what you need. Though I still tend to over-buy common sizes at Fastenal and add to my fastener drawers.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 09:46 AM
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McMaster.com is my go to source for most nuts/bolts. I got turned off to Fastenal, when they gave me a hard time about returning an entire bag of bolts where ~1/3 of the bolts were defective, heads milled wrong, goobered threads etc.
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If you are organized in life, you will have no problems in your restoration. The main issues tend to be immediate, like 'where the heck is that (unobtanium) part that was just here on the bench 5 minutes ago?' or long term such as having to wait two or three weeks for some bloody bloke in the UK to ship you the part you won on ebay.co.uk a week ago.
Sometimes little things like that can stall a project. Have a plan B at all times.
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Thanks for all the replies. I see a repeating theme. Documentation.

Knowing that I will have many bolts and nuts combo that I will need to cut/grind/hammer/torch/xxxx out, do you guys go to hardware store with shopping list each time you need something or do have stash of bolts and nuts in your shop?
I go to the local fastener store a couple times a week.
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I recommend not only pictures, but video too. I found times where the pictures I took didn't have the one thing I needed, but I thankfully walked around the frame with my phone on video mode and found a different angle that showed exactly what I needed.

Also, as for baggies, instead of using freezer bags, you can go on Amazon or Ebay and get some thick bags of various sides for cheap.

Also, I'd recommend at the end of each day, doing an inventory and a clean up of everything you've taken off and making sure it is in the right place. There have been times where I was in a rush to get out of the garage at the end of the night, and by the time I returned next, I forgot what those bolts I had sitting on my workbench were for.
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Im on the tail end of a post accident repair, modification and refresh on a classic. I am a rover mechanic by trade and of course I had to divide my time between customers vehicles and my own.
just as every one has suggested label and document everything including storage location.

the large components are obvious but, when you get to small things like the hair pin for the hood support or the washer sprayers which you remember putting somewhere, you will think back to this thread and either
become enraged or enjoy your organization and or lack there of.

do not allow your self to become sidetracked or distracted, stay on the job at task until done or you will soon be over your head.
be ready to spend lots of mindless hours with very little to no progress to show.
in the end your patience and perseverance will pay off, good luck.
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I go to the local fastener store a couple times a week.
Uncle Doug,

Hopefully it is close by.

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Old December 30th, 2015, 12:31 PM
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vehicle restoration software?

Has anyone tried vehicle restoration software, or has that already been covered elsewhere on here, or on other thread?

Vehicle Project Planner Vehicle Project Planner - Free download and software reviews - CNET Download.com
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I've done a few now, easiest are ones were the ones I've taken apart myself, the worst was a box of bits - never again .!!!
The 1st one I did I labeled everything with little yellow card labels on a bit of string .. 2yrs on the card had disinterated in the oily mess or the sharpie had faded Hmm..

Now I take lots of pictures - handy as proof of build when you sell, I now use yellow plastic labels and a parts marker - not as neat but it works.

Buy yourself a parts manual as it shows how the assemblies go together as well as the part #, think of it as a series of modules, chassis, axle, brakes, wheels..etc then you can complete a module and put it by, that way you are winning lots of small battles.

I've bought a couple of projects that someone stripped & put into boxes and then though Oh shit...

Have fun and your on the right forum for help..

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Just as everyone else has mentioned: LOTS of pictures, neurotically reading (and re-reading) threads here and elsewhere on the web, workshop manual, bits in labeled ziplock bags- sometimes i tape the bag of bits to the removed part.

Sometimes it's helpful to draw a diagram/trace a part on cardboard, then place bolts into respective holes in the cardboard as you remove them from the truck. This trick is especially helpful on the water pump since it seems that each of the ~15 bolts are different sizes and lengths!

I like to use blue painter's tape to label hoses and electrical connectors with where they should go upon re-installation.
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LABEL LABEL LABEL LABEL LABEL!

The better you label things, parts, bags, pics, the easier your life with be the smoother and faster things will go.

Also zip-ties with integrated labels are the sex... makes easy work of all keeping all the wiring harnesses and bullet connectors straight.
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