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Old September 23rd, 2009, 10:34 PM
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Reskinning a door

My drivers' door has some bad dents that can't be straightened. Anyone here try and reskin one? What tools are needed and should I get the galvanized skin? Any tips? Thanks!
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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:40 AM
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I recommend a copy of the Haynes restoration manual ... has step by step advice for reskinning a door including photos.

http://www.amazon.com/Rover-Defender...4065623&sr=8-4

The suppliers mentioned in the book don't seem to be around anymore but I really like the idea of the plastic coated door frame to prevent future reactions between the skin and frame.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 09:02 PM
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Thanks! Just bought the manual.

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I recommend a copy of the Haynes restoration manual ... has step by step advice for reskinning a door including photos.

http://www.amazon.com/Rover-Defender...4065623&sr=8-4

The suppliers mentioned in the book don't seem to be around anymore but I really like the idea of the plastic coated door frame to prevent future reactions between the skin and frame.
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What years of defenders is that manual for?
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Old September 28th, 2009, 08:15 AM
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It is not year specific - just Defenders in general.
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best done with the right tools

http://www.eastwood.com/autobody/pan...installer.html

and much patience.

I do it for new doors were I've galvanized the frames but other than that generally would use an entire new door unless the frames were in as new condition. Once you stretch the skin it is very difficult to get it back.
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new expansion complete. Not only are we the only Rover shop in Eliot Maine...now we're also the biggest.

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So a 2x4 and a hammer is not the proper tool?
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listen, there is not such a thing as a galvy door skin
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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:43 PM
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listen, there is not such a thing as a galvy door skin
There is since 2008.

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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:58 PM
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OEM I think yes, they're using some sort of corrosion-proofed door now. Not sure that there are any aftermarket replacement skins that are galv'ed, never seen any.
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So a 2x4 and a hammer is not the proper tool?
depends of your definition of proper. I have a feeling that YOU would make it work!

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I'm not a big fan of the new "corrosion proof(?)" doors. I'll bet that they still corrode between the layers. I don't know why Rover didn't just galvanize the frames and leave the alloy skin, which works really well as there is little electrolytic reaction between zinc and aluminum especially if one or both are painted. Ever look a SI doors. They are built this way. I have several that have survived being in Maine since the late 50's and still look great.......as far a corrosion is concerned
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So a 2x4 and a hammer is not the proper tool?
For Ron good it is!
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If you are doing a couple doors it likely doesn't pay to buy the right tools, but here is the right tool that we use:

http://www.killertools.com/

There is no body work needed after install and the job takes about 80% less time than other methods, and potential damage to the door skin is not really possible. I don't know any body guys that use the door skin pliers or the roller type anymore, those went away years ago.
It may seem costly, but it will save you its cost in time spent.
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There is since 2008.

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The electroplated zinc phosphate coating should not be confused with the hot dip galvanizing.

Anyhow, the 2007 doors in my garage have the EZ on them, so I think it started a little before 2008.
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The electroplated zinc phosphate coating should not be confused with the hot dip galvanizing.

Anyhow, the 2007 doors in my garage have the EZ on them, so I think it started a little before 2008.
Fair enough, I have only seen them advertised as 2008. Safari rover had some skins only for sale in the bright zinc coating. If you hot dipped a door skin it would come out in waves.
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I don't know any body guys that use the door skin pliers or the roller type anymore, those went away years ago.
Along with most of the guys that knew how to work metal by hand. Kind of sad.

I was taught to use a hammer and dolly, by hand......mostly do it with an air hammer (and dolly) now so as to move along with the times, Still use pliers in the tight spots. Just a fawkin dinosaur waiting for the next ice age
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Along with most of the guys that knew how to work metal by hand. Kind of sad.

I was taught to use a hammer and dolly, by hand......mostly do it with an air hammer (and dolly) now so as to move along with the times, Still use pliers in the tight spots. Just a fawkin dinosaur waiting for the next ice age

Better tools that reduce customer's cost, do a better job and require less bodywork for the body guys (less customer cost there as well) don't translate into any loss of skills IMO.
30 years ago I did it by hand as well, but not today.
I gave up my old Apple IIE computer as well... better stuff came along.
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Wasn't trying to say that you don't have mad skill homes. That's fairly obvious to even the mildy observant dinosaur.
30 yrs ago......what was that , high school shop?
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30 yrs ago......what was that , high school shop?
30 years ago was doing the same thing I do now, just smaller scale and on different makes, had my own detail/small repair business at the time. Never took high school shop, making picture frames was never my thing.
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oops....sorry, I had no idea you were that old...
Shop was a required class back in the dark ages. Never did make a picture frame. Did build a redneck tractor (Model A) and a pretty good collection of "peace" pipes, in addition to a pretty good base knowledge of mechanics and metalworking. They had a good program perhaps due to the large amount of Defense $$ in the area (PNSY, Pease AFB, Pratt & Whitney). Still a huge depth of talent in the area with old duffs that can pound out the most complex bits, by hand, in no time at all (a talent I often employ). That's the sort of talent I'd be referring to as being lost. The artist. Granted most of this can be created by geeks with a computer and some drooler running a machine.....the new artists......so here is not much point in my reminiscent rambling, other than I suppose you can, with patience, skin a door with a hammer, dolly (or 2x4 Ron) and a pair of pliers.

But if the guy with the coolest tools wins....you got it, hands down .
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