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Old March 3rd, 2015, 12:55 PM
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Request for opinions on purchasing

Gents, and any Ladies out there,

I've wanted a Defender for a long time, but have never pulled the trigger. I'm currently living in Germany and will be moving back to the states in the summer of 2016. I've been looking at 1990 & 91 D90s and 110s since I got out here, knowing they would make the 25 year cut off when I'm coming back. I was holding out for a 1990-91 to get an original 200tdi.

I've found one in Italy that I like, but due to the distance I will have to buy sight-unseen which is always risky. The seller has been very quick to respond to questions and has sent pictures I have asked for (for the most part, there are some translation problems).

I'm hoping the community could take a look at the pics and let me know what you see. I realize the collective knowledge in this forum could help me from missing something that seems obvious to the more experienced enthusiasts.

The link below is to the originals of the pic on my Google drive if the resolution comes out poorly when posted here.

Thanks in advance. I appreciate any help.

Rob

https://drive.google.com/folderview?...kU&usp=sharing
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Old March 4th, 2015, 12:01 PM
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Come on, someone has to have an opinion. Tell me any trouble spots you see. Please help me out.

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Old March 4th, 2015, 12:12 PM
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Looks fine from the photos.

Any other photos of the engine bay. There is something custom next to the engine. Coolant takeoff for another heater?
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Old March 4th, 2015, 12:18 PM
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I am not even close to being as knowledgeable as others on the board...but here goes a little nit picking. Is there anyone you know that can do an inspection of the 90 for you? Is this from the south of Italy? I have heard Italian cars are generally pretty clean.

It has been gussied up a bit.
- Overspray on tires.
- Fresh black paint in some areas underneath - yet top of frame has surface rust.
- Whats up with the tape on the bumper push bar.
- An interesting valve inline with the heater system, might be because of bad heater core or summer driving, or rear heater?
- A couple rivets on the backend aren't painted but the rest are.

I would ask for a lot more pictures.

Its an old 90 so nothing above really surprises me.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 12:21 PM
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It does look fine as John says. Doors look good, cross member looks good, bulkhead/floors may need attention and interior can use some sprucing up.

Although it boils down to price as well. That maybe fine at $10k - $20K but not at $30K...

Oh, and what's up with the front, passenger side fender? It's from a Mitsubishi Pajero?! LOL
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Old March 4th, 2015, 12:27 PM
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Although it boils down to price as well. That maybe fine at $10k - $20K but not at $30K...
It should be $10k maximum IMO. This is not the USA.... Probably more like $6 k.

Keep in mind "from the pictures". Rust can be hard to evaluate from photos. There can always be hidden damage that has been repaired as well. Then there is the mechanical side of things.

Can you get a vehicle history report? The nice thing about Germany is the mandatory inspections are very strict.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 12:59 PM
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The nice thing about Germany is the mandatory inspections are very strict.
also a problem trying to get these older trucks registered...

just remember the golden import rule "original vehicles only"
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also a problem trying to get these older trucks registered... just remember the golden import rule "original vehicles only"
Then do what you want/can legally in your state....
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Any other photos of the engine bay. There is something custom next to the engine. Coolant takeoff for another heater?
Might be a bypass. I put one in mine to keep hot coolant from circulating into the cabin during the summer. Texas heat is bad enough without adding hot coolant into the cab.

Rear crossmember looks suspect as do foot wells. Transmission tunnel is another place to look where it ties into the bulkhead.

I agree that you should see if anyone on the board is local to kick the tires with you.
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Thanks guys.
Unfortunately I can't get my eyes on it. Its actually in Spain, not Italy, I got mixed up looking at too many adds.

I am worried that it looks "shiny". Hopefully it is not a polished turd. I'm waiting on a shipping quote right now. He is asking 7,500 Euro's (roughly $8,300).
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Thanks guys. Unfortunately I can't get my eyes on it. Its actually in Spain, not Italy, I got mixed up looking at too many adds. I am worried that it looks "shiny". Hopefully it is not a polished turd. I'm waiting on a shipping quote right now. He is asking 7,500 Euro's (roughly $8,300).
You have to be able to get from where you are to the truck and back for 10% of that cost. .,. No matter what it's going be worse than you think.

Going and looking could save a lot of heartache and being able to negotiate in front of home will help offset the cost of travel.
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new pictures

Roof rack was installed after the original pictures. He wants 250euro for it. I'm planning on asking for it to be included in the final price.
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Thanks guys.
Unfortunately I can't get my eyes on it. Its actually in Spain, not Italy, I got mixed up looking at too many adds.

I am worried that it looks "shiny". Hopefully it is not a polished turd. I'm waiting on a shipping quote right now. He is asking 7,500 Euro's (roughly $8,300).
Where in Spain? Long shot but I know people, who know people, that were it local to them and not too far out of the way they might take a look.
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That would be awesome. I was looking at tickets tonight to make the trip down, it's not cheap.



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Rather than pretty pictures of the non standard paint work, non standard snorkel, how about a picture of the chassis showing the VIN? Does Engine match the factory spec or was it replaced?

At worst you have time to flip it and get a US CBP acceptable one before your leave. Talk to Uncle Doug he will steer you right on purchase, shipping and import.
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Rather than pretty pictures of the non standard paint work, non standard snorkel, how about a picture of the chassis showing the VIN? Does Engine match the factory spec or was it replaced?

At worst you have time to flip it and get a US CBP acceptable one before your leave. Talk to Uncle Doug he will steer you right on purchase, shipping and import.
The guy says the engine and trans are original. The vin plate was in the first group of pictures. The import criteria is obviously a big concern for me. Right now I'm doing a lot of hoping, and that is never a good plan.

THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT!

VIN decoder says:
SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
LD Model: Defender (for early models: Ninety, or One Ten)
V Wheel base: 92.9 inch, but designated 90
A Body type: 2-door: Pickup, hood cab, truck cab, or soft/hard top
F Engine type: 2.5 litre Tdi diesel, model 11L (200Tdi) or model 16L (300Tdi)
8 Steering and transmission: Left-hand drive (LHD), 5-speed manual (LT85, LT77, LT77S, R380 or other)
H Model year: 1991
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
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Saw the vin plate. Vin is also stamped on the chassis. Do the vins match?
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Anyone think this looks like a vin that was just marked?
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Robert... How was your experience with Albert???

I just contacted him about a D90 he currently has.

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Looking at a rover leaves out one of, if not the most important factor. the frame thickness.
They can be aluminum can weak and still look good on the outside. I use a dead blow/rubber hammer and whack it all over the place. If it produces dents. Its no good.

Did that on my current one other than the front cross member. Turns out the front and bottom of my front cross member is rotten. After a winter, holes started. Have to replace it. Seems to be limited to where the frame was packed with mud. But I've seen rovers plated from stem to stern, and passed on rovers that looked good but the frame was very thin. Not holes... thin, They flake from the inside. Not enough air and poor steel (think 80s japan).

Landyzone seems to be all/mostly UK etc. value in europe/GB would be beyond me.

That frame looks like mine. Freshly sprayed with attention to what you can see when standing next to it. It was obviously a lot dirtier/rusty 10 minutes before the picture... Not to say its bad. But it doesn't represent its age well.
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