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Old November 9th, 2011, 09:00 PM
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Replacing bearings, found swivel balls empty

Hi Everyone!
So tagging into the bearings tonight and noticed that hardly anything came out of the swivel ball housing. So that begs the question do I start going in further and take it down to the swivel ball and see if its just gaskets or swivel ball surface?

I think that it being nearly empty means that the seals arent good. And I wonder if this has something to do with the whine form the front above 35mph.

I was planning to put in rovertracks axles and lockers at some point, maybe next year. But seems a shame to get all the way into it and not do that stuff.

So just looking for some feedback on what course I should pursue next.

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Old November 9th, 2011, 11:12 PM
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part 2 of questions:

Looking in the manual its says no more that .025 in end float in the cv....what is that? I took the cv out to see it's conditon per the swivel ball being empty. It did have the special land rover swivel ball grease in it, just not much lol.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 05:43 AM
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I've always reused the shims that were there so can't comment on the end float. As far as the seals they have probably never been refilled, it is not that much work to replace the seals and get the preload set.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 07:56 AM
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For some reason I was thinking it was harder than it looks. Everything has been pretty easy so far.

So should I be doing the seal and bearing on the spindle as well? Do you need a slide hammer for that bearing? Anything else that should be done while there?
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Old November 10th, 2011, 10:02 AM
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I should note as well the nuts on the bearing were not very tight. So I wonder if that was the play, they look pretty good, no pitting. And they are timken.....so have they been replaced already?
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Old November 10th, 2011, 10:31 AM
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There may just be grease in your swivel. Eitherway it is likely worth changing if its age and condition is unknown.
Dont worry about the cv end float.
Everything can be removed with normal tools and a punch/hammer.

Do a search on swivel preload.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 11:21 AM
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Definitely adjust your swivel preload while you are at it---super easy, absolutely vital to keep death wobbles away. Their is a recent thread on death wobbles that contains a great link describing what/how to check.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 12:27 PM
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I found the post....link is dead though! So shims just go on the top of the swivel ball then?
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Old November 10th, 2011, 02:10 PM
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yup you can get everything you need from Rovers down south for a very resonable amount of money. 15lbs of pull with a fish scale, if you havent dont them you will be surprised at how it feels after theyve been rebuilt
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Old November 10th, 2011, 04:23 PM
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I got it all ordered just now. So should be next weekend's project. I'm sure I'll be back for another question or 2. I'm also trying to get a hold of Keith as well and get some of his front axles coming. So it should be pretty well buttoned up when its all back together.
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one quick question. Manual suggests dropping radius arm......is that really needed? i dont see the point. Just making sure. Seems a liitle much, but just checking...

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Old November 11th, 2011, 12:45 AM
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Peter--I saved the article as a PDF--I just sent you an e-mail--shoot me your address and I will send you the pdf.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 01:56 AM
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Hey Chris,
Sorry nothing through email, i heard AOL.com is being a Bitch lately I hear, but no contact yet.

Please try again or broncoduecer@yahoo.com is a good alt. address.
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No need to drop radius arm, you have to remove the track rod, not sure the conditon of your TRE's but these can potentially get trashed if you have you use a pickle fork.
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And they are timken.....so have they been replaced already?
Rover used both Timken and SKF bearings, I guess depending on the bids they got. So you can't tell by that if they have been or not.
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Oh. Interesting, makes sense though from a business stand point.
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I shimmed it for a perfect 15lbs, i am glad I had extra shims to play with.


http://www.roversdownsouth.com/defen...fferential.htm everything you need is on this page.

I ordered new swivel bearings but did not need to replace them.
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lower pins

I just got a heap of parts today and was checking them over. I got new pins all around. The bottoms are genuine, but they seem to be pretty corroded. Should I send these back? I figured they'd be shiny.
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Those look like new old stock, I am sure they would clean up nicely with some emery paper. If you paid a full price id be looking for some money back or replacement. I have only taken one truck apart and I personally dont see the need for replacing the pins. I could see the bearings needing replacing but even at 81k mine looked and felt as good as the new ones Id ordered.
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any pitting too much?

Hey everyone!
So I'm working on the swivels tonight and just wondering is any pitting... too much pitting? Just looking for some opinions. I have just a spot on the drivers side. Hope to get the passenger off as well tonight.....if its not parked to close to the wall lol.
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Does anyone else have a garage computer lol? I dont know anyone else that does...but it just makes sense. Music, internet, forums, and not getting your nice machine all greased up....maybe its just me.
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