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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:54 PM
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Registering a 1984 110 in California

Looking for help understnding how a California resident goes about registering a 1984 110 Tdi purchased from out-of-state? Looking for paths of least resistence.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 04:32 PM
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officially not possible as Cali has the 1974 rule. I made many calls and hit a WALL - issue is actually CARB. Practically, many have slipped theirs through with no issue - but if your VIN gets tagged as a non-compliant vehicle, you are hosed.

loop hole is if the owner is an out-of-state resident and has owned a 49 state (per DOT and EPA rules, which your 84 is) vehicle for more than one year. They can move to California and legally register it.

I'm in the process of this myself. My Seattle based BIL owns my truck right now. He'll be moving here in february...
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Old October 26th, 2010, 04:44 PM
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So once your BIL moves to Cali he can then sell the truck to you?

Did you call the DMV with the VIN? Would you say a 84 110 is a grey market vehicle?

Definitely you do not ever see diesel 110s here, but they are quite rare in general.
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I didn't read anything about a 1 year ownership requirement on the DMV site yet. Here's a link to the check list for registering an out-of state vehicle. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/checklists/outofstate.htm Am I missing something?

To be clear this 25 year old vehicle will have been titled in Virginia before sold to a CA resident which I thought made the biggest difference.
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This is news to me. I though if the truck was 85 or older it was registerable in CA without issue.

Has anyone registered a 85 or older in Defender recently after importing it. Meaning no registering it in another state first?
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Old October 26th, 2010, 05:24 PM
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I thought diesel was exempt. I know ze said when he made his nas 110 a diesel he got a smog exempt stamp from ca DMV.
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my case was a little strange - I was importing from UK. So I have to get the vehicle safely qualified as a "49 state" vehicle or I would fall under the "Direct Import" rules for Cal - and this put me under the 1974 California rule vs. the 49 state 25 year rule. Nutty.

So by keeping it as an out-of-state for a year was my way of washing the truck. Yours should be good to go.

Sorry for the(my) confusion.

even still, Cal DMV is vague about registering a 49 state vehicle. But they do allow a resident of another state to bring in and register a 49 state vehicle - so this is a safe route for me. They are specific about new vehicles (less than 7500 miles) but really vague about used vehicles.

But it should be able to be registered - they are just not specific about it.

and to answer Geoff - because he is family, it can be gifted over once it's in state without a tax hit. That was the other reason for waiting a year (6 months would probably have done it) - Cal will hit you with a "Use Tax" on entry if they feel a vehicle - even if bought and kept out-of-state - was purchased with the intent of bringing it to Cal. This is the same as sales tax.

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I thought diesel was exempt. I know ze said when he made his nas 110 a diesel he got a smog exempt stamp from ca DMV.
I saw that conversion - as far as I could tell, he got lucky. CARB technically doesn't allow it (when you call and ask them - they are complete hard a$$es. But then I had one in there commercial vehicle division trying to help me because she knew the diesel rules were ludicrious and really intended for 8000 lb+ GVW vehicles, but the wall was too high) but DMV and CARB may not be connecting on the exemption reviews.

I have read there is an alternate path through Smog Referees that kinda get you around the official DMV and CARB moto of "No Can"

It's the variabilty that I don't like....
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So if you want to import a truck from the UK, one of these 85 or older diesels, you have to register it first in another state? Seems like a total pain in the ass.

If anyone else has done the process in CA but does not want to make it public, please shoot me a PM. I would like to know more.

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16 Psi sort of goes through all the things I am finding online. There are a lot of contradictory rules it seems.

Diesel vehicles under 8000lb are supposed to be exempt, but NO diesel vehicles that are Grey market are allowed at all.

1in40's 110 also has only 200KM on it (incredible) which also may cause problems due to California not allowing vehicles with less than 7400 miles to enter. Maybe. Maybe since the vehicle is not new it is not an issue?

Since the vehicle is a 2006 on a 1983 chassis will they accept a VIN taken from the chassis only? They would have to crawl under the car. Unless it gets a door/hood sticker from Virginia where it will be initially registered?

Every rule seems to have a maybe.

Variability is the rule it seems.
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As a restored vehicle I would think the original 83 mileage is what you go by not what the new driverrain has
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Hi All
New here, first post. Just brought a 1985 D110 a couple weeks ago. Before I started, I called Customs Import Specialist Dept, The first question asked: Is it a diesel? Then started telling me how things are going to get tougher with older chassis but like new... Now the friggin DMV is asking for the portion of V5 that was submitted to get Permanent Export Permit, Original Custom doc's, which are computerized, NHSTA crap not neccesary, CHP inspection, as they dont understand Licence plate is part of registration etc.... Its a joke here. Paid my fee's, so Im not penalized while I try to sort through the stupidity of CA DMV And one more thing, Its a petrol engine, not a diesel. God I hope my son wants to go to a university out of state next year. Good Luck
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So confusing. How did they do it with that Puma for sale in Beverly Hlls?
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So confusing. How did they do it with that Puma for sale in Beverly Hlls?
They payed a title service to handle it.
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my case was a little strange - I was importing from UK. So I have to get the vehicle safely qualified as a "49 state" vehicle or I would fall under the "Direct Import" rules for Cal - and this put me under the 1974 California rule vs. the 49 state 25 year rule. Nutty.

So by keeping it as an out-of-state for a year was my way of washing the truck. Yours should be good to go.

Sorry for the(my) confusion.

even still, Cal DMV is vague about registering a 49 state vehicle. But they do allow a resident of another state to bring in and register a 49 state vehicle - so this is a safe route for me. They are specific about new vehicles (less than 7500 miles) but really vague about used vehicles.

But it should be able to be registered - they are just not specific about it.

and to answer Geoff - because he is family, it can be gifted over once it's in state without a tax hit. That was the other reason for waiting a year (6 months would probably have done it) - Cal will hit you with a "Use Tax" on entry if they feel a vehicle - even if bought and kept out-of-state - was purchased with the intent of bringing it to Cal. This is the same as sales tax.

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I saw that conversion - as far as I could tell, he got lucky. CARB technically doesn't allow it (when you call and ask them - they are complete hard a$$es. But then I had one in there commercial vehicle division trying to help me because she knew the diesel rules were ludicrious and really intended for 8000 lb+ GVW vehicles, but the wall was too high) but DMV and CARB may not be connecting on the exemption reviews.

I have read there is an alternate path through Smog Referees that kinda get you around the official DMV and CARB moto of "No Can"

It's the variabilty that I don't like....
These ridiculous, unclear, bureaucratic, baseless (for the most part), contradictory rules seem like a great use of gov't infrastructure, billable time and resources. (audio prob-NSFW for most people)

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16 Psi sort of goes through all the things I am finding online. There are a lot of contradictory rules it seems.

Diesel vehicles under 8000lb are supposed to be exempt, but NO diesel vehicles that are Grey market are allowed at all.

1in40's 110 also has only 200KM on it (incredible) which also may cause problems due to California not allowing vehicles with less than 7400 miles to enter. Maybe. Maybe since the vehicle is not new it is not an issue?

Since the vehicle is a 2006 on a 1983 chassis will they accept a VIN taken from the chassis only? They would have to crawl under the car. Unless it gets a door/hood sticker from Virginia where it will be initially registered?

Every rule seems to have a maybe.

Variability is the rule it seems.
Its more than likely only what it says on the title. A vehicle can only have 1 identity, grey or not, so you might not want contradictory identification markers on the vehicle at all...
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Danny - you have no idea. Why is the state of California, one of the biggest producing economies in the world, financially in the red? I think this is a great example of why. We are part of a federation, pay our taxes for federal legislation, then our state gov decides that's not good enough and wants to make up our own set of circular, vague rules. Talk about bureaucrats making work for themselves. This place can drive you nuts...

out here, we call it the Scenery Tax

ok, rant off.
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Danny - you have no idea. Why is the state of California, one of the biggest producing economies in the world, financially in the red? I think this is a great example of why. We are part of a federation, pay our taxes for federal legislation, then our state gov decides that's not good enough and wants to make up our own set of circular, vague rules. Talk about bureaucrats making work for themselves. This place can drive you nuts...

out here, we call it the Scenery Tax

ok, rant off.
Vehicle issues specifically -
wow, its unbelievable that basically a misinterpretation of rules on document A yields a fully legal setup, but a misinterpretation of rules on document B means, illegal/felony/car destroyed... yet documents A and B are both valid.

my biggest issues are with the diesel parts of the rules. If we just put more infrastructure on biomass/waste veggie derived biodiesel (NOT CORN) the sole reason for the blanket rules of rejection (emissions) wouldn't even have any merit anymore. We'd be making a clean fuel from GARBAGE. There is no reason that lawn clippings and old christmas trees should go to a landfill. They'd have to rule out the lack of spark plugs. (then have a later document saying its fine, haha).

I live in DC now and the bureacraZy here is even a different level then when I was in NYC/Long Island.

Political issues about inefficient/confusing/gov't waste - I'm a gov't contractor, Its really hard to keep your chin up about the economy with the amount of waste both physical and on a staffing basis I see daily...
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Danny - you have no idea. Why is the state of California, one of the biggest producing economies in the world, financially in the red? I think this is a great example of why. We are part of a federation, pay our taxes for federal legislation, then our state gov decides that's not good enough and wants to make up our own set of circular, vague rules. Talk about bureaucrats making work for themselves. This place can drive you nuts...

out here, we call it the Scenery Tax

ok, rant off.
Down south we call it the weather tax. Weather is so good you put up with all the BS.
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Just giving you a heads up. I was just flagged to take 1985 110 petrol for CARB compliance. Though EPA exempt, 25 yo must still meet CA emissions standards. CA is the worst state to try and register an imported auto. From talking with the shop, was told at least $1500.00, if it can in fact be brought to CA standards. Lets see,we have a PVC, and no smog pumps from factory. Sh_t I find the only 2 door HiTop ambulance I have ever seen, and I might not be able to keep in state, because our state is governed by frigging retards. On one hand, I want to build my camper, but might not have the patience to deal with our states system. Hell that 77 Troop Sleeper on CL is looking better each minute. Good luck to all who live in CA and love Land Rover 110's.
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Don't know what engine is in your '85 110 petrol but don't give up on it yet. There are plenty of propane kits around for the V8's. That should get you through a smog test.
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