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Old May 4th, 2015, 01:29 PM
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Rebuilding Tdi Turbo

Any recommendations re who to send one to?
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Old May 4th, 2015, 01:47 PM
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Everyone I've talked to said the cost-benefit isn't worth a rebuild...you'll be $500-ish into a rebuild, and new ones are maybe $700-750.

That said, locally United Diesel in Alexandria could certainly do it (talk to Russell or Scott). Alternatively, Tom (tjfslaughter) has a place in NJ I believe, or there's Tri-State Turbo (info@tristateturbo.com), or Jeff @ Turbo Auto (turboaut@bellsouth.net, 615 383-6242). I actually heard good things about Turbo Auto and was going to give Jeff a try when I was "in the market" for a possible rebuild. But going local at United Diesel is probably not a bad idea.

However - have you pulled the specific Garrett turbo# from your unit? You may want to price it out just based on that model number and see what you come up with.
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Jeff @ Turbo Auto (turboaut@bellsouth.net, 615 383-6242)
did 2 for me 300-350 range
he has a core of mine if you don't want to be layed up
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Best price you'll find on a VNT is around $1500. Rebuild always makes sense.
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Old May 4th, 2015, 02:07 PM
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New Garrett T250-04 was around $750 last I checked....
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Lav, please share the logic how rebuilding is not worth it @ 200 bucks less than new?

Carlos Z has posted the guy he has used locally. I think Clay will get away with just a renewal of the bearings. I don't think his has any damage to the impellers. But, don't recall looking that closely and will leave that determination up to the pros.
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Lav, please share the logic how rebuilding is not worth it @ 200 bucks less than new?
New housing, new warranty, new everything...plus you've got to ship the old unit into them, transit time both ways, turnaround time for rebuild, etc. With 'new' you then "know" exactly what the internals are (versus are the "rebuild" components some Chinese knockoff parts? Will they fail within a short amount of time? etc.). Lots of unknowns with a rebuild, though probably not as dire as I make it. My point is, sometimes maybe a hundred or couple hundred bucks is worth piece of mind...particularly when we're talking about an $8-10K engine swap.

That said, if Jeff @ Turbo Auto can rebuild for $300-350, my money would be on him (as I pointed out above initially).

Lastly, depending on condition, I'm sure you could sell the old one for a few bucks to further lessen the overall difference. Sell the old one for $100-150, and maybe you're talking about a breakeven on rebuild versus new.

It's all ball bearings these days ....
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Just like using a Brit Parts clutch instead of a factory clutch. It may work but if it fails it isn't worth the savings.
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Just like using a Brit Parts clutch instead of a factory clutch. It may work but if it fails it isn't worth the savings.
Ask me how I know about that one too! But yes, bingo - what Dave said .
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https://www.tristateturbo.com/

I like these guys. You might be able to have them build it as a VNT.
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Any decent rebuilder will warranty for at least a year.
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I'm working on the assumption the rebuilder isn't going to use cheap chinese parts. Downtime isn't an issue here and I don't think shipping is either for something as small as a turbo cartridge. $200 is still $200. I'll be curious to see how the rebuild shakes out.
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It's all ball bearings nowadays ....
I'm gonna need a pair of pliers...

I was under the impression you just run these blenders till they blow...no?

Clay, you building a racecar or somethin'?

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I'm working on the assumption the rebuilder isn't going to use cheap chinese parts. Downtime isn't an issue here and I don't think shipping is either for something as small as a turbo cartridge. $200 is still $200. I'll be curious to see how the rebuild shakes out.
The guy I linked above uses Genuine Garrett parts and bench is also bench tested.
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Unfortunately, except for the compressor housing and pressure actuator, the VNT is pretty much completely different from a standard turbo.
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I'm gonna need a pair of pliers...

I was under the impression you just run these blenders till they blow...no?

Clay, you building a racecar or somethin'?

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The guy I linked above uses Genuine Garrett parts and bench is also bench tested.
If it is guaranteed genuine Garrett parts built by a certified repair facility I wouldn't fear a rebuild. There would be no difference between that and a new genuine Garrett turbo other than that new turbo smell and the guarantee on the box.

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Jeff at Turbo Auto is great. I posted in the 2.8 compatible thread that he can get the genuine vnt catridge.
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Posting up a little dose of reality. Dropped off my 20 something ERR4893 with United Diesel in Alexandria. After inspection they want $700 to do the rebuild. I case you wondering what this includes I assume everything a 20 something part would likely need. The phone call was polite but not very long.
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All they are gonna do is take it apart and put in a new CHRA. Replace the clamps and snap ring and bead blast the housings.
CHRA part number: 443854-0110 Turbo model T250-04.

Quick google search turns up:
Garrett T250-04 CHRA Cartridge 443854-0110

I have sent an inquiry to the USA HQ to see if they have or can get these.
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