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Did that includes the Vaseline?

Not even a reach around!
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Did that includes the Vaseline?
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contact info? Thanks much! ------ Follow up post added October 30th, 2014 03:45 PM ------ I think I'll go with new or the Ashcrofts...just don't know the stress used ones may have endured and don't want to be here again. KCD
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 08:29 PM
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goddamnit...

Well, you guys acted like it would be so hard to check the half axle....

all I had to do was loosen the 5 flange bolts and pull.....


hah hah, well the drivers side looks fine? see pic..

going to pass side now with very little clearance to garage wall so wish me luck..

Talked to Justin today at Lr8...

If not it differential?

Will report in a few....

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If not it differential?
Yes.

Just curious, how did you determine the rear is the problem?
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well, I'll tell ya....

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Yes.

Just curious, how did you determine the rear is the problem?
...I searched the hell out of the Board and it seemed if one heard a "clunk" and truck would only go forward in CDL then first place to look was rear half-shafts...

mind everyone, I am no mechanic..

however, just pulled passenger side half-shaft and it's perfect, so moving on to rear differential..

or at least someone is..differentials may be over my pay grade...

anyway, Board is awesome..

next easiest thought is terribly welcome...

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That isn't correct.

-Jeff

It's what I found to be the quickest and easiest elimination of a potential issue...

It would have been rather easy to have it taken to LR and stroked a check.

Anyway, thanks for the input.

I just walked in and my better half remarked; "Good God, what is that stench?"

I told her; it's Land Rover grease, get accustomed to it!

Thanks for the guidance guys!

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They are suggesting it could be in the front. Maybe have someone watch the propshafts while it cannot drive.
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It would have been rather easy to have it taken to LR and stroked a check.
Actually at your average LR dealer there likely isn't a single person who has done as much work on a Defender as you have already.
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Since you have the rear halfshafts out....... See if the truck will still move.... If it will move, it it the rear diff. If it will not move, it is something broken in the front axle...
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^^^^^ What John said...
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Since you have the rear halfshafts out....... See if the truck will still move.... If it will move, it it the rear diff. If it will not move, it is something broken in the front axle...
I put them back in last night....both looked perfect...

The only thing that caught my attention tho was that the drivers side shaft was particularly difficult to get back in..that's what she said....seemed to meet a lot of resitance and had to twist and push to get it back in. Passenger side, no problemo...

To recap, I have had a "side-to-side clunking when slowing down to almost a stop...exactly like RX6RCROL is having on page 6 of his Camel 110 Africa thread...

As I was going over a teeth-rattling RR track, I let the clutch out and heard a "pop"..

Clutch seemed fine, transmission seemed fine but truck would only go with CDL locked. Ran great 150 miles at 70 mph. Still with major clunk which seems to eminate from rear of truck when I changed gears..

Started searching and got to his rear axle replacement which solved his problem so went there first...

So now my question is: what is the next easiest, if not the most obvious test that a shade tree guy could do to eliminate another item? Mind you I have to replace ignition cylinder first...

Thanks for the guidance and patience Board!!

------ Follow up post added November 4th, 2014 04:07 PM ------

Also, adjust ebrake intrigues me. Easy to check?
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Old November 4th, 2014, 11:12 AM
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Okay.....

Disengage the CDL. Put it in gear and let the clutch out. Have someone look underneath and see which driveshaft/propshaft is spinning. The spinning one will tell you which axle has the broken bits. Then come back here for advice.

edit: If the engine is not running.... Then put gearbox in neutral, CDL unlocked, wheels chocked, parking brake off. Go underneath and try and spin the driveshafts. If one spins, that axle has broken parts.
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You're awesome.....

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Okay.....

Disengage the CDL. Put it in gear and let the clutch out. Have someone look underneath and see which driveshaft/propshaft is spinning. The spinning one will tell you which axle has the broken bits. Then come back here for advice.

edit: If the engine is not running.... Then put gearbox in neutral, CDL unlocked, wheels chocked, parking brake off. Go underneath and try and spin the driveshafts. If one spins, that axle has broken parts.
I will try that tonight....I assume it will also show which diff might have broken parts as well?

Also, how much effort should it take to spin driveshafts?

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It will show which axle has the problem. If it is the rear, then you need to remove the diff. If it is the front, you need to pull the CV/halfshafts and investigate...

It should be easy to spin. You may need to wiggle them to get the CDL to disengage if it was locked.
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You need to get a good understanding of all the components at work here and their relation to each other, because right now its like you're just blindly throwing darts. No offense.

I'm going to suggest a diagnostic procedure that should work, but correct me if I'm wrong.
- Put CDL in Neutral
- Put rear axle up on jack stands.
- Turn the driveshaft by hand. If the wheels turn then your diff is fine. If they don't turn then you have an issue. Since you've already determined the rears halfshafts to be good then you would know the diff is lunched.
- Repeat process for the front.

For any sort of differential damage the proof would be in the pudding, so to speak. In other words, the evidence of a differential failure would show itself in the gear oil. For the price of 2 quarts of gear oil you should be able to determine if you need to pull the diff or not.

Of course its "easier" to write a check. Though, depending on your line of work and how well off you are that may not be the case. Working on your own vehicle does more than just save money, it provides the owner with hands on knowledge that you could actually use in real life.

------ Follow up post added November 4th, 2014 10:35 AM ------

John and I are basically saying the same thing.
How much effort to spin??? As little as possible, as much as necessary. Its hard to convey amount of force needed over a keyboard.
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no offense taken at all....

I'm going to try the rear turn first and report back...

My only question is: if either front or rear diff is shot, do they usually lock up or just free spin? Since I drove it so long and at high speed, I'm assuming free spin...
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Are your front swivel balls leaking? I wouldn't be surprised if you have a broken CV joint. Put the transfer box in neutral and see if you can turn either driveshaft with both wheels on the ground. You need to isolate the problem between the front and rear. The front CV joints are probably the weakest link and the likely cause of failure.
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Ummm...OK Board...you MAY be right...

Ok...

CDL off, ebrake off..ass-end in the air-both wheels....chocked-thanks boys-results:...

1. turn a rear wheel, other side turns (opposite direction) and rear drive shaft turns...

2. turn rear drive shaft by hand: rear wheels turn-same direction-AND front drive shaft and ebrake drum turns BUT front wheels-on ground-nada...as in no movement...either side.....

3. turn front DS by hand...ebrake drm etc. turn as do rear wheels-same direction- but no front wheel turn...they are on ground...

4. when I turn-by hand-rear drive shaft-I hear the same "clunk" that I hear when slowing down although not side to side...play seems to be about 3/4 inch...in other words, I hafta turn rear driveshaft 3/4 inch before rear diff "catches"....

So....does this indicate front diff or cv or both and what next to eliminate one or other?..

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Lock cdl, set parking brake, and jack up one front wheel and see if it turns. Then lower it and try the other front wheel.
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