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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:57 PM
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Rear cross member replacement problem

I purchased a Rear Cross member with extensions for my 94 NAS. As I required extension I bought a ROW cross member under the auspice that it would work with minor modifications such as drilling additional mounting holes for the fuel tank plate only.
The shop that I choose came recommended by other local collision/fab shops to perform the replacement. I got a call today that the cross member extension do not match up with the existing frame rails after the cross member is mated to body. The angles do not match up as it approaches the wheel wells. He tells me that it is off by 1.75 to 2.0

I have not yet seen this and will get pictures in the morning. Looking for some insight from anyone that has performed this job. Does the rear body droop that much when the rear cross member is removed?

Any help is appreciated!
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:09 PM
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Get some pictures!

I sure hope they didn't cut the old one off yet because it sounds like they took too much off. The NAS has tank cradles which a ROW does not and you'd have to reuse them. But it is best to not remove them unless the rust was really bad.

By gallery is broken right now so I can't link you to pictures but I'll email you some of a 94 NAS replacement so you have a reference.

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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:18 PM
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FWIW, I had a cross member with extentsions, and the fabricator told me the same thing, the angles were off and they had to do a decent amount of extra cutting and welding. In the end they got it right, but cost me a couple extra hours of labor.

Granted mine is a UK truck

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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:25 PM
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maybe you got a 110 crossmember?
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 08:04 PM
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maybe you got a 110 crossmember?
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 09:42 PM
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So Bryan bought this off of me. I bought this from Safari HP when I was doing my 94 NAS. You can see my listing if you search for it. I would suggest reaching out to Stephen about the rear crossmember with extensions he sells. He offered to take it back when I went a different route due to chassis rot. Perhaps it was a mixup from the beginning?

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Old February 2nd, 2012, 10:15 PM
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Thank you all for the reply's! Tomorrow morning i am going to stop in and take some pictures and try to post them first thing.
Matt I will call Safari tomorrow also to see if he can help identify it.

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from the picture in the link below this does look like the part I have. hard to tell exactly what the dims are though
http://www.safarihp.com/rear-crossmember.html
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 06:25 AM
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That's it. From what I remember the differences were you had to drill holes for your skid plate and reuse your fuel tank mounts.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 11:17 AM
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Here are a few pictures of what is going on.
looks to me that the crossmember is not the right one. welder has appeared to me to have not cut too much of the frame rails as the fuel tank cradles are still "intact" (anyone have a source for fuel tank cradles?)

i have more pictures but if you notice the crossemember is bolted on up on teh left hand side. the approach angle from the crossmember is just too shallow or starts to low to ever match up.

plan is to have another fabricator come in to advise on the modding the exisiting part with custom extensions.

Any other suggestions?
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 02:52 PM
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Given the shape of the cradles I suspect they had no choice but to cut that much out. But I'd have them fab up new cradles while they are add it - yours look rough. I think you are definitely into customized extensions at this point. They shouldn't be that hard to make up and you can use this cross member (but effectively replace those extensions).

I hope your fab guys are not super expensive!
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 05:06 PM
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Thanks again Charles. I hope they are not too expensive either. I will let everyone know what happens.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 05:24 PM
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Read a thread that someone might have had CAD dwg of the fuel cradle. Does anyone have one?
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Check with Stephen at safarihp. I thought he was having the cradles remade a few years ago.
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http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=35500
I have bought one, it's aluminum so you don't have to worry about corrosion
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Old February 4th, 2012, 05:56 PM
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Reese that link is back to this thread. He's talking about the piece you bolt the skid to, not the skid itself. I know there was talk of getting the cradles made but I don't recall it ever happening. Where is horsey when you need him?
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Old February 4th, 2012, 06:40 PM
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I should have searched before replying. He did make them:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...uel+cradle+cad
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That looks like a 110 crossmember.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 06:43 PM
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Yeah he'd have to fab up rear tub supports for that setup too. I'm leaning towards it being a bad idea to shoe-horn that one in. I emailed him earlier with a crazy idea involving a trailer
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Dude, STOP. Contact the vendor and have them send you the correct freakin' part. There is no reason to be paying for custom fabrication due to someone else's mistake. That's just effed up and the outcome will never be good. You are going to spend more money than if you did it right, and it is going to seriously detract from the value of your truck. And possibly the functionality if the fuel tank doesn't fit correctly. IMO the vendor should be covering you on this one.
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That looks like a 110 crossmember.
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