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Old March 18th, 2010, 12:57 AM
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After my triumphant win of Shane's tire carrier I went home and removed the back wheel to investigate.
First off can I buy replacement drum screws anywhere? I destroyed one but it came out. I assume I will do the same on the other side. I would hate to have to mail order these.

Anyway I took the drum off and it is a mess. More very thin clearish liquid leaking all over the wheel. When the drum was off I had someone step on the brakes. Not sure if this was really smart or stupid. I noticed that only one brake shoe moves. Is this normal? No fluid was leaking out but the truck wasn't on if that matters. I also noticed when I looked past the brakes at the hub thick grease or just a mess in general. Is this a combo of the brake fluid and years of road goop or is the hub jacked up too?

It was like this http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=33909 maybe even more grease at center.

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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:18 AM
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I noticed that only one brake shoe moves. Is this normal?
If the drum is out, the shoe with less resistance
will move if you step on pedal, which you shouldn't
do. Take a pic, take the all thing apart, clean it
and put it back together with new cylinder.
Be sure you have a pair of long nose pliers with you.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:55 AM
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Julien is right about the one side moving, but it's pretty academic at this point since you know it's leaking brake fluid and you have already bought the parts. But you could offer resistance to the side that is moving and have someone gently press the brakes to see the other side move.

As far as the hub goes it's impossible to tell. You could take a picture of *your* hub and we could give opinions, or you could clean it up as vest you can, put the drum and wheel back on and put a few miles on it. Then when you go to do the brakes see if it looks like grease is leaking too.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:13 AM
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Thanks. I would have had to take the shoes off to really clean up the hub so it is mildly clean right now. I will know more once I really rip it apart.
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From an long time Series LR owner used to doing drum brakes, the ONLY way to do this correctly is to pull the hub, clean and inspect the bearings, r & r as neccessary, repack the bearings and replace the hub seal. r and r the cylinder also as as necessary, using heat if needed to free the hard line from the back of it without breaking the line. use a flare nut wrench on the line. check that the adjusters are free and lube them up good so they don't sieze. replace the new shoes making sure they are fitted correctly as the linings are different for the front and rear shoes. put the new shoes on using the old springs if the springs look ok. They are very big and rarely wear out. IMO. Replace hub per the manual or other method of your preference. Replace drum, you can leave the drum screws out if you like as if you don't get them in correctly they cause more problems than they solve. Like wheels coming off.

Anything short of this is asking to do it again sooner than necessary. It's not a fun job so I try to do it as infrequently as possible.
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That looks nice and clean
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I buy brake kleen by the case

that photo is from when I swapped in the Series III salisbury rear. Somebody tried to get the original drums off of it without releasing the adjusters, and managed to break all the adjusters. So I swapped over my older backplates. I re-used the proper hubs and stub axles for the salisbury axle since the SIII used the larger diameter wheel studs. and my front axle uses all SIII stuff too. Now all my lugnuts match

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I have to ask as today sucked, I did one wheel and it was a nightmare. How the hell do you take the shoes off. I loosened the adjuster screws but the springs still held it tight. I eventually got it off and got the new shoes on but it was so damn hard. In that link on page 1, there is a plate that you can take off that holds the shoes on. In the 110 this isn't removable. What did I do wrong?

Oh and brake cleaner may be the most toxic thing I have ever smelled. Clearly dying.
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In that link on page 1, there is a plate that you can take off that holds the shoes on. In the 110 this isn't removable. What did I do wrong?
Nothing, now you know my pain when I said the hardest part for me were the springs. Mine didn't have that removable plate either. It would have been a lot easier if you took the hub off like in DB's pic. I left mine on because I didn't want to mess with something that wasn't broken. That meant having to work the shoes and springs around the hub.
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Old March 20th, 2010, 11:36 PM
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yeah not to mention I may now have cancer from the brake cleaner. I am thinking of having a professional finish the job.
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Oh and brake cleaner may be the most toxic thing I have ever smelled. Clearly dying.
It is really toxic. I use regular soap to clean brakes, you can use degreaser also, just don't use compressed air.

------ Follow up post added March 20th, 2010 11:49 PM ------

I'm cautious now with brake cleaner, this is why:

http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

But you're not going to weld your brakes, are you ?
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I have read that. Terrible.
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truck is done. Ended up having the second side finished by four oaks. Shockingly I didn't screw up the side I did.

Anyway truck ended up needing all new belts and a belt bearing. It will no longer sound like a washing machine on spin cycle. I am very pleased.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 07:32 PM
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Its okay. To me this is worth it. I hated the way it sounded and when BCS rebuilt the engine they never offered or told me to do the belts.
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they rebuilt your engine and put old belts back on? nice...
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As I have said before BSC sucks!
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