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Old August 28th, 2014, 09:52 PM
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Oh I didn't realize that used an isuzu torsion bar. I'm familiar with Lane's truck (love it). Thanks.
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Old August 29th, 2014, 08:52 AM
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That's a sweet setup. I'm going to experiment and make some longer links for the stock one before dropping $$$$ on a fancy Anti-Rock one.
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Thought I'd follow up with new info. Pulled the fox shocks and took the part #s off them. Called their customer service and turns out the shocks are valved 30/90 not 80/80. Way soft. Fox offers a free revalve within 90 days purchase. I'm going to send them in for 90/100 valving before I spend money on springs and custom sway bar setups.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 05:25 PM
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Good catch before spending a bunch of money for a bandaid . The proper shock valving is Key.. Keep us posted how it turns out .
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That would do it... good catch.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 06:18 PM
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Wow, 30 sounds crazy low. I can barely compress my 2.0's with all my weight on them.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 06:45 PM
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Bingo! Your riding on your springs. Wierd that you didn't notice it on road.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 08:53 PM
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You guys like a stiff ride, huh? I purposely dropped mine down to 30 on compression. I guess I have absolutely no weight up top and a fairly mild lift. I am on 35's though.
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The 30 in this case is the rebound damping. That will cause the "light" side to unload unpredictably. In a top heavy 90 that is amplified. The compression damping will not affect the tippy feeling as much.
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Fox's are the other way around from Bilsteins. 30/90 is C/R.
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Fox's are the other way around from Bilsteins. 30/90 is C/R.
He's correct, the 30 is the compression which is why the effect is less noticeable on the road where i'm dealing with small high speed bumps (that don't compress the springs) vs big low speed bumps (like boulders or ledges when off-road). My spring rate is progressive and the lack of compression dampening is causing the spring to unnecessarily compress and therefore rebound much more aggressively causing my feeling of bounciness and instability during weight transfer side to side. That's my best guess at least.
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That makes sense. It's frustrating that Fox and Bilstein can't get on the same page with valving #'s. I'm sure they have their reasons though.
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Hey Everyone, Just wanted to say thanks for all the tips and thought I would follow up on the post. Since beginning this thread, I've taken much of the advice and done the following:

1. A arm ball joint and bushings were replaced (I knew this would be a bitch so I took it to the dealer. Dealer has to charge you for what it specifies in the book. They charged me 3 hours labor or something like that and they worked on it for 2 days. Everything was seized.
2. Trailing arms were shortened (have RTE trailing arms) and bushings were replaced with orange poly pushes
3. Rear Shocks were revalved to 90/100 from 30/90
4. Removed spring spacers to eliminate any rake from the truck

Result is WAY better. Haven't been off road yet but just driving around it's flat around corners and transitions the weight when turning in much better. The rear is so much better that now I feel it happening with the front which still has softer shocks. I'm now going to throw some Fox shocks in the front, ditch the eyelet to eyelet setup and return to a stem mount with bushings. I've spent a decent amount of time with Fox on the phone about the LR shocks being distributed to vendors like Rovers North. Nobody specifies what the shock is on their websites so I figured I'd share. The Fox Land Rover specific, Performance Series shock, is an 80/85 valved shock using a normal valve stack. The performance series uses similar valving but uses a flutter stack on the compression side. Provides a softer initial hit and then scales dampening rate significantly. Gonna throw on some of those performance series shocks and report back.
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Hey Everyone, Just wanted to say thanks for all the tips and thought I would follow up on the post. Since beginning this thread, I've taken much of the advice and done the following:

1. A arm ball joint and bushings were replaced (I knew this would be a bitch so I took it to the dealer. Dealer has to charge you for what it specifies in the book. They charged me 3 hours labor or something like that and they worked on it for 2 days. Everything was seized.
2. Trailing arms were shortened (have RTE trailing arms) and bushings were replaced with orange poly pushes
3. Rear Shocks were revalved to 90/100 from 30/90
4. Removed spring spacers to eliminate any rake from the truck

Result is WAY better. Haven't been off road yet but just driving around it's flat around corners and transitions the weight when turning in much better. The rear is so much better that now I feel it happening with the front which still has softer shocks. I'm now going to throw some Fox shocks in the front, ditch the eyelet to eyelet setup and return to a stem mount with bushings. I've spent a decent amount of time with Fox on the phone about the LR shocks being distributed to vendors like Rovers North. Nobody specifies what the shock is on their websites so I figured I'd share. The Fox Land Rover specific, Performance Series shock, is an 80/85 valved shock using a normal valve stack. The performance series uses similar valving but uses a flutter stack on the compression side. Provides a softer initial hit and then scales dampening rate significantly. Gonna throw on some of those performance series shocks and report back.
2 Days on the A-arm? Someone should introduce them to a torch.
Glad you got it resolved and saw an improvement!
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