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Old June 3rd, 2011, 01:52 AM
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Rate the Rust: What's the prognosis?

SO looking at a 110 across the pond, and I will happily admit my ability to rate the cancer thru pics leaves a lot to be desired. So I'm asking the board to "rate" the cancer.

This is a project truck, so I'm expecting some rust, but I need to know if I'm looking at a new chassis sooner rather than later (and if I buy)>



Thanks for the help!
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 03:06 AM
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Looks a bit crusty. The pics didn't actually show any perforations. Does it have an MOT? That would indicate that the inspector thought it was structurally sound at the time of inspection.
What is the front bulkhead like, they're prone to rust on the toe boards and below the windscreen.
Also ask for photos of the aluminium heel board for the second row seats that area gets rotten where it bolts to the chassis.
You'll undoubtedly find more when you take it apart. What's the interior like?

What engine does it have? I'm assuming it's a legit over 25 years old truck otherwise I wouldn't bother if I were you - should have an A or B registration (last number on the registration plate ( possibly a C).
If it was local to me I could maybe take a look for you. PM me if you like.
It all comes down to the price they're asking, what sort of truck you're hoping to end up with and if you fancy undertaking a rebuild.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 05:56 AM
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should have an A or B registration (last number on the registration plate (possibly a C).
Actually the first letter of the registration -- i.e., my Jan 84 reg is A807 TRP.

MOT is not a guarantee; I bought a truck that passed MOT and I had to do a bunch of welding (basically replaced the frame from in front of the rear axle to the rear cross member), and had to replace all the brakes and brake lines. I could literally poke my finger through the rear cross member. It's not that hard to get an MOT for an iffy vehicle, happens all the time.

Unless the seller is willing to take a screwdriver to the most vulnerable areas (front frame horns, front outriggers, rear cross member, the area around the rear shock mounts, the upper and lower corners of the bulkhead, the footwells), pictures won't really tell you.

If at all possible you should try to get someone to look at the truck for you. I'd volunteer, but I have one foot on a plane, I fly out this weekend. Ask for help from some of the UK people on here.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 07:01 AM
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Actually the first letter of the registration -- i.e., my Jan 84 reg is A807 TRP.
Yes, my mistake.
Agree about the MOT but it is an indication as to condition.
I'll look if it's local to me.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 07:31 AM
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In your last pic - there is a pocket on the top of the chassis right next to the shock that can collect mud and rust will start there, eat a hole in the top of the chassis and then allow stuff to collect inside. A little better pic there would be good. Also, I would request pics of the bulkhead outriggers. They too are first on the list to rust if mud is allowed to collect there.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 12:43 PM
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Thanks to all for the responses; the seller is up near Loughborough, so Mike, it would be a long drive from Surrey! But if you have some time I might email you for some guidance.

V5 is current and seller says chassis does not need to be replaced. I haven't seen the outriggers yet but I am trying to arrange a time to speak on the phone and will ask for photos. I do know the footwells will need to replaced, but need to ask more about the bulkhead. I'm considering a conversion to LHD, so I'm considering sourcing a 'better' bulkhead for the conversion. I want to keep the RHD intact for other reasons.

BTW it's a legit '85
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Looks to have been coated with waxoyl or similar so it's tough to say without a hammer test. At least there are no holes.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 02:36 PM
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Is the seller Matt at MRM? Too bad I'm leaving, Loughborough is only 20 minutes from me.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 03:26 PM
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Thanks to all for the responses; the seller is up near Loughborough, so Mike, it would be a long drive from Surrey! But if you have some time I might email you for some guidance.

V5 is current and seller says chassis does not need to be replaced. I haven't seen the outriggers yet but I am trying to arrange a time to speak on the phone and will ask for photos. I do know the footwells will need to replaced, but need to ask more about the bulkhead. I'm considering a conversion to LHD, so I'm considering sourcing a 'better' bulkhead for the conversion. I want to keep the RHD intact for other reasons.

BTW it's a legit '85
Yes that would be quite a way to go what with fuel @ 1.41/ltr.
Feel free to email me for any advice.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 03:32 PM
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Is the seller Matt at MRM? Too bad I'm leaving, Loughborough is only 20 minutes from me.


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Old June 7th, 2011, 10:32 AM
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From those pics, the outrigger looks like it has a hole in it to me in the bottom right of the picture. On the second pic, does it not look like its been plated as the chassis goes up towards the spring mount? It looks like there is a weld seam there. Difficult to tell really.
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Old June 7th, 2011, 10:47 AM
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Did you get more pictures and more info?
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Old June 9th, 2011, 12:53 AM
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A few more pics....

No outrigger pics yet; rest of the bulkhead seems to be okay. Those footwell shots give you a good idea of what the door lowers look like. Bad.

So footwells, door frames, sill rails, and (maybe) B pillar for sure.

Oh, also some bubbling paint on the doors below the windows.
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is it the ex camel truck at MRM? ask him to move the plastic from the foot well, water gets under it when off road and it corroades from the inside out.
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