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Old June 25th, 2010, 01:08 PM
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R380 to Ford small block

Has anyone done any research on this? I'm thinking my best option is to try to put these two lovebirds together.
I think I can pretty much bolt the 380 to a ford BH with some creative drilling. Maybe a little machine work. I think there are blank SBF bellhousings available. Where can I get info on the r380 shaft stickout, the centering flange dimensions, bolt pattern and stuff?

------ Follow up post added June 25th, 2010 02:49 PM ------

OK I see that the R380 has this front housing thing. I still think it will be OK just need to figure out how to center it on a Ford BH. Concentric slave of course.
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??? Why would you want to do that? The R380 is a P.O.S. , seriously. Don't waste your time, use something else.
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I have to agree. Why not an NV4500? I believe there is an adaptor from that to the LT230. http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Cochran.html
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You already have the BH for the SBF you are considering, no?

I imagine you are using a later 302 or 351 Windsor, but on the off chance you are going really old school; Ford 260's and 1963 (only) 289's used a 5 bolt BH. SBF blocks manufactured from '64 up were machined for 6 bolt BH's.

(I learned this lesson the hard way...)
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Have you tried Terriann Wakeman's extremely comprehensive Rover page?

http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/V8Conversion.htm

BTW this is one of the best series/defender information pages I have ever seen and I'll be the first in line to buy her book if/when she writes one.
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Have you tried Terriann Wakeman's extremely comprehensive Rover page?

yeah, it was me who got her to put the Ford EFI on her truck.


OK Ron I'm convinced to get the NV transmission and adapter to the LT230. I'm doing pretty much the same thing as in that ECR link except to a 109 5 door. I had that combination actually as my first choice, but I've been trying to reconcile the fitment of the transfer case. Thought that keeping it more "Rover" it would be easier. Concentric slave is cool. You're invited to the Eastern Shore to help me fit all this shiz into the brick.

------ Follow up post added June 25th, 2010 04:09 PM ------

Ron if it all fits lengthwise, we will have to plunk a 6-71 on top. Looking for more like 350hp.
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Bill, I would go the NV4500 route, but instead of mating to the series t-case, why not a Dana 18. It has the correct offset to the rear, you can run 2 hi-2 lo, 4 hi-4 lo and it can be built to handle what you have in mind. Parts are plentiful, just the get "big hole" version, it also has a PTO avail.

Also, what are you planning on doing with axles and that much H.P.?
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Or a readily available NV3500/NV3550 is a good medium duty tranny
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I have an 18/20 in there now. It's a "big hole" 20 case with 18 guts. It has a Jeep drum brake on it. It was making noise I think. Its that or the t19 trans. In any event the transmission set up's got a problem. I don't know how well that setup would all fit in the RRC frame anyway. I know the 302/NV4500/LT230 will be a nice driveline. I will need to find a transmission as I have all the other stuff.

Danny, I'd put in the 3500 if I weren't planning on a blower. I think I'll need the 4500.
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Also, what are you planning on doing with axles and that much H.P.?
just buy an F-250 and stick the 109 body on it......
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just buy an F-250 and stick the 109 body on it......
freakin Mainers.....................

OK Bill, you about the Jeep thing...

Hhmmmm.... I do understand the concept of keeping it all Rover too.
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I have an 18/20 in there now. It's a "big hole" 20 case with 18 guts. It has a Jeep drum brake on it. It was making noise I think. Its that or the t19 trans. In any event the transmission set up's got a problem. I don't know how well that setup would all fit in the RRC frame anyway. I know the 302/NV4500/LT230 will be a nice driveline. I will need to find a transmission as I have all the other stuff.

Danny, I'd put in the 3500 if I weren't planning on a blower. I think I'll need the 4500.
oh in that case, you're def right, no 3500
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Also, what are you planning on doing with axles and that much H.P.?

"that much HP" only comes into play at high RPM. Down in the low end the (naturally aspirated) engine isn't making a lot of power. For towing and pulling boat trailer up the ramp the blower will double the horsepower in the short end of the graph giving much more torque. It's like having diesel torque in a gas engine. Turbos are probably better for high output, but the plumbing, oy yoy yoy! Blower just bolts on, ya plop a 4 barrel on top and away ya go. Noisy tho.
Since I'm going to be pretty ginger with the pedal I don't think the axles will be a problem with ARB carriers and HD axle shafts. I think it'll have to be 1350 drive shafts too. The stock 302 is about 175 and with the marine cam and a switcheroo with the spark plug wires you get 225. Blower adds another 50% to the baseline. Higher lift cam adds more but you start getting into other restrictions like heads and exhaust that I don't wish to fool with. Reliability and drivability are the goal. Vortech is another possibility but it will be a tight squeeze.

just buy an F-250 and stick the 109 body on it......

I'd need some rather impressive flared fenders. 'sides the RRC is a more or less straight up switch.
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OK , gotcha. For some reason I had visions of crazy mud run assaults.

For towing though, I'd be more concerned about creating a better torque curve/power rather than HP.
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"I have to agree. Why not an NV4500? I believe there is an adaptor from that to the LT230. "

Advance adapters is working on one,but last update i got will not be ready till the fall. Note they told me last fall will be ready by FEB 2010 so dont hold your breath. If you want a expensive solution to this problem hit me up at willismatt25@gmail.com, I just went through the same issue mateing my LS2 to a NV4500.
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just buy an F-250 and stick the 109 body on it......

I'd need some rather impressive flared fenders. 'sides the RRC is a more or less straight up switch.
ALthough it has been done and you need Defender flares + 4" per side, I was just adding a little humor.

Finding a supercharged 6 cyl Toyota landcruiser and stinking the 109 body on that would make more sense.
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Finding a supercharged 6 cyl Toyota landcruiser and stinking the 109 body on that would make more sense.

Matt who ever said any of this LR shiz makes any sense?
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Matt who ever said any of this LR shiz makes any sense?
you've obviuously witnessed me arriving at the shop...........that pretty much sums up my feelings before the day has even started.
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"I have to agree. Why not an NV4500? I believe there is an adaptor from that to the LT230. "

Advance adapters is working on one,but last update i got will not be ready till the fall. Note they told me last fall will be ready by FEB 2010 so dont hold your breath. If you want a expensive solution to this problem hit me up at willismatt25@gmail.com, I just went through the same issue mateing my LS2 to a NV4500.
Yeah well if it comes down to it, I'm sure that I can make it work even if it's a one-off. I have an LT230 a Dana 18 and a Borg Warner. One of those damn things gotta work. Advance won't make anything they can't sell 10,000 of, so it does not look good for that. I don't care if it's made of aluminum or two steel plates and a hunk of 4 inch pipe.
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