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Old July 3rd, 2013, 09:34 AM
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Push start 200tdi?

My starter smoked this AM And I had to leave it til work was over, I have to go and get it this afternoon and was wondering if I should fix it where it sits or is it pretty easy to push start so I can get it home?
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 09:35 AM
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If you're on a hill its easy to push start, just get it rolling, key on, and dump the clutch in 2nd gear.
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 09:36 AM
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Or if you have a pack of shop students to push it for you ....
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 09:47 AM
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They are very easy to push start.
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Or if you have a pack of shop students to push it for you ....
Students are off for the summer.
Aha 2nd gear.
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gotta love the old series with the crank start rods...
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Push starting was no good. Stopped immediately, tires even chirped. Had to fix it at school, my AP was very cool and agreed to stay late so I could finish.
Starter had what I think is the ground wire cut in half (see pic) and there was also a thin piece of aluminum in the starter area when I pulled it out. Wondering which caused which, and if that may have also f-up the push start attempts, a jam of some sort.
It was an aftermarket started, wondering about them now, the one I had laying around was a genuine starter.
Should the 6mm stud on the back of the starter be grounded somewhere?
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The upper stud is power into the solenoid. The lower power to the starter.

There should be a ground strap from the motor casing to the block.

It should push start easily in 2nd or 3rd, so something is up.
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Not much detail... the picture is good.

The starter will pick up it's ground through the engine block which should be grounded via a ground strap.

What you're calling a ground is no ground at all, it's the cable lead that supplies (+) power to the armature brushes. Before being severed it ran from the bottom of the solenoid into the starter.

When energized, the solenoid pushes the pinion gear into the flywheel ring gear and simultaneously sends (+) power inside to the armature brushes to make the starter spin.

You give very little info on this aluminum thing that came out of the starter hole, but if it were loose, than it was a blessing to have it out. I doubt it was locking the ring gear, but anything is possible based on the sparse information you provide.

Unless you were being pulled by another vehicle 2nd gear high range (unlocked) is way too low for a push start. 3rd or 4th is more like it and I've done it in 5th before. Low range in any gear is not a good idea as is being locked in any gear. Transfer case gears vary, but a 200TDI should have a 1.4 gear set, but you never mentioned your vehicles gearing or tire size which all come into play.
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Ok, thanks. I had more details in my first post, but I lost it and had to re type.
I think the metal piece was the end cap at the end of the starter. Thin aluminum that stops the starter gear at the end of its throw.
As far as the push start, I probably wasn't going fast enough. It was just me and another guy pushing.
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I push started my 2.5 NA diesel a few weeks back. Brisk walking speed and popped the clutch in 2nd gear. Piece of cake with two adult males on level ground.
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