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Old November 18th, 2015, 12:44 PM
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purpose of the door?

I'm going through my "new" defender ('88 110 TD 5door) and trying to troubleshoot any issues while I wait for my registration to go through.

I noticed the floor was wet after it rained, and I've figured out that the door's purpose appears to be to funnel water into the vehicle?

Is this a design flaw and I should take the advise previously suggested and drill drain holes and wear flip-flops? Or is there something else I should be addressing? (felt?)

I'm planning on taking the door cards off to see what's going on, (I know the plastic barrier is no longer attached) but it doesn't seem that fixing the plastic will change the direction of the water (it will still drain out of the holes and onto the floor?).

I checked the water leaking manual, and it suggested checking to make sure the holes weren't blocked, which suggests to me that water normally flows out of the holes...

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Old November 18th, 2015, 12:56 PM
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Check your vent seals - those little flaps you open on your dash. The seals may be rotting away, allowing for quite a bit of water to get in that you may (inaccurately) think is coming in through your doors.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:19 PM
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Check your vent seals - those little flaps you open on your dash. The seals may be rotting away, allowing for quite a bit of water to get in that you may (inaccurately) think is coming in through your doors.
Yes it's not always coming from where you assume it might be. I start by removing the carpet so you are not confused by dampness that spreads through the carpet. Then I cover the entire footwell and floor with cardboard to see where the drips land and where water settles. Gives a good idea as to the areas you need to focus on in preventing leaks.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 05:44 PM
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Thank you for the tip. I'll definitely check the vent seals.

Interestingly, there's no leak when I spray the front windshield, only when I spray the side windows. And water seems to collect at the back corner of all 4 doors.

I'll also see what the waist seals look like, but I'm not sure how water tight they can be in a roll up window

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Old November 18th, 2015, 06:05 PM
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are these split doors or station wagon doors?
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Old November 18th, 2015, 06:27 PM
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do you have seals on the bottom of the door? If so, what condition are they in?
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Old November 18th, 2015, 09:34 PM
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Station wagon doors, I believe.

There are seals around the frame where the door closes, and they look intact.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 08:38 PM
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Is there supposed to be a seal under the door itself? (I'm looking at a restoration handbook that seems to be installing a seal under the door, inside of the drain holes, which would help my problem)
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Old November 19th, 2015, 08:51 PM
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Yes. Post pics already
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Old November 19th, 2015, 09:29 PM
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You don't need the seal under the door to prevent water ingress. I removed mine 4 years ago to save my sills from rust.

I'l try to be clearer: You do not need the seal under the door to prevent water ingress.

Speaking from experience, virtually no water comes in through the bottom of the door, even in heavy downpours with no bottom seal.
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Old November 20th, 2015, 12:26 AM
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You don't need the seal under the door to prevent water ingress. I removed mine 4 years ago to save my sills from rust. I'l try to be clearer: You do not need the seal under the door to prevent water ingress. Speaking from experience, virtually no water comes in through the bottom of the door, even in heavy downpours with no bottom seal.
I agree although if you follow Huf, Galpin or Dana thru a deep ass water hole ala Winch Hill at RC you might see some liquid coming in from under the door

And that seal is just a rust incubator. The sills on my UK 110 were roached right where the seals were.
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Old November 20th, 2015, 09:18 AM
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Yes. Post pics already
You asked

It seems I need another hose test... It makes me feel like I'm in a Rap video
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Old November 20th, 2015, 09:20 AM
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And the sill
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I've had a number of cars come through lately- Series and Defender- that are leaking through the bolts through the windscreen frame!
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I've had a number of cars come through lately- Series and Defender- that are leaking through the bolts through the windscreen frame!
Yeah exactly. Start high and work down from there. Have you checked the vent seals yet? Let's see those.
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Old November 21st, 2015, 10:55 PM
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With the left middle door open, I sprayed water on the window only, and the water started flowing out of these drain holes... so the problem is the window seal.

I just don't know if I should replace the seal, or design a scupper that diverts the water back out of the vehicle.

Of course, many other areas may leak in an actual rain storm, but for now, I've got 4 little leaks that can focus on:-)
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Only the outer waist seal matters really. They are cheap to replace. I'm not sure what a scupper is, but it sounds like a bodge
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Only the outer waist seal matters really. They are cheap to replace. I'm not sure what a scupper is, but it sounds like a bodge
scuppers are the openings on the deck of a boat to let the water out.
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 01:56 PM
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put seals on your doors <period>

There is a reason why the new Puma's have them...and they still leak wading water - Lav and I were in a 2015 last week, and water came in under the doors in a wading. Not much but still came in.
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