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Old July 25th, 2012, 04:09 AM
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Old July 27th, 2012, 01:01 PM
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I'm having a hard time deciding if I should keep these or not. I'm dropping them off at Six States today so they can swap out the U-joints for heavy duty ones, balance and paint them.

Are the Tom Woods really worth 3X the cost? What are the benefits of TW prop shafts over OEM ones?
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So I took the Cro-Magnon prop shafts to Six States who balanced them, swapped out u-joints and repainted them. I installed the front one today but still have some noise left. Prior to installation I was also beginning to notice a rough shudder when accelerating under load at higher speeds so I will check tomorrow if that still exists.

Next weekend I will install the rear prop shaft. If the noises don't go away at that point I guess my quest will continue.

One question. When installing the front prop shaft, the sliding portion (the spline end) is attached to the transfer case, right? The workshop manual or Haynes are useless as they do not show orientation.
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When installing the front prop shaft, the sliding portion (the spline end) is attached to the transfer case, right? The workshop manual or Haynes are useless as they do not show orientation.
It probably doesn't really matter. I have always had it on so that the male end was toward the transfer case.
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That was my reasoning as well. Just wasn't sure as the old one I took off looked totally different.
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Single cardan are typically installed with the spline closest to the output flange. DC typically closest to the input flange.
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I installed the rear prop shaft today and it appears that was the one causing noise and vibration as it is now gone. The four bolts on the output end were very loose. When I removed the prop shaft there was a large fastener underneath the yolk on the output end that also was very loose, what is this one for? Looks like an IKEA fastener of sorts.
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I installed the rear prop shaft today and it appears that was the one causing noise and vibration as it is now gone. The four bolts on the output end were very loose. When I removed the prop shaft there was a large fastener underneath the yolk on the output end that also was very loose, what is this one for? Looks like an IKEA fastener of sorts.
I'm not sure which end you're talking about. When you say "output end" are you talking about the transfer case output flange or are you talking about the end of the propshaft that connects to the rear diff input flange?

In any case, the only fasteners under the propshaft flange yokes are the pinion nuts, so I can't even picture what sort of fastener you're talking about.
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Rear output so it's on the round drum on the transfer case. When rear prop shaft is completely removed there are 4 bolts in the drum. There is also an additional fastener the size of a quarter that was hidden underneath the prop shaft. It's flush with a plus shaped groove. I assume it tightens the 4 bolts? I was going to remove it and put some loc tite on it but was afraid that something inside would fall apart if I did so I just tightened it as hard as I could.

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I'm not sure which end you're talking about. When you say "output end" are you talking about the transfer case output flange or are you talking about the end of the propshaft that connects to the rear diff input flange?

In any case, the only fasteners under the propshaft flange yokes are the pinion nuts, so I can't even picture what sort of fastener you're talking about.
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OK... The drum is the parking brake. There should be a small Phillips head screw that retains the drum with the propshaft off. You should also see a large nyloc nut in the center that holds the flange on. The propshaft bolt can't back out while the parking brake drum is on the flange.

You SHOULD take all of this apart as the parking brake needs a regular service if you ever see mud or wade.
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Sounds like the parking brake drum retaining screw, #4.
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Wow, that was weird, John's post didn't show up when I came back to this thread.
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Wow, that was weird, John's post didn't show up when I came back to this thread.
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Thanks John!

I will take it apart and clean at some point.

So the Philips head is the only thing holding the drum in place (with prop shaft off)?

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OK... The drum is the parking brake. There should be a small Phillips head screw that retains the drum with the propshaft off. You should also see a large nyloc nut in the center that holds the flange on. The propshaft bolt can't back out while the parking brake drum is on the flange.

You SHOULD take all of this apart as the parking brake needs a regular service if you ever see mud or wade.
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It should have have refreshed since I had left the page.
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Thanks John!

I will take it apart and clean at some point.

So the Philips head is the only thing holding the drum in place (with prop shaft off)?
Yes. But most of the time the brake shoes will need to be backed off to get the drum off. If you are servicing the brake, I suggest removing the whole unit and doing it on the bench. All you need to do is disconnect the cable and remove 4 bolts. It is quicker to work on it on the bench and you;ll do a better job. The expanders all need cleaning and lubrication. They are not sealed.
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