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Old October 17th, 2009, 03:30 AM
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Project Musing - 110's

So i am looking for a project for next year....

The plan.. Build an Expedition 110 for travels to SA or Africa, take the family and 6 months off and go.

the NAS 110's are in the $40's for something good as a base but will need a lot of work to get up to snuff.
Converted to deseil, outfitted, frame swap, etc...

an Import (84 110) will need much of the same except for the engine swap (rebuild or replace with like), seems like prices are in the $20's for something nice before shipping from england or locally (with the frame done).

Pro's and Con's to the 93 vs. 84 question. The resale value for the 93 decreases with the Mod's needed, while the 84 would potentially increase or not decrease beyond the initial purchase price. Butchering a 93' for what i want to do seems a waste

converting my 90 to a 110 seems like a lot of added expense and again kills the value, not to mention it would be off the road for a long period and its my daily which means i'd have to buy something else for a daily driver.
so that's pretty much out.

thoughts? on the import vs. build up question only at this point.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 11:07 AM
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I am working on a simlar plan to visit at least Morrocco , I am planning to use a LHD 110 Station Wagon, they are obviously less common than RHD but that is my preferance. It is worth waiting for the right vehicle as time is on your side as more vehicles are eligible every year.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 11:59 AM
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makes total sense to find a good base 83-84 import with a tdi and start from there.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 12:35 PM
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If you are only re-exporting consider getting a 92-93 in through Canada, borrow it, upgrade it and ship it and sell it on your way back in Canada.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:19 AM
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i would probably keep it in the stable since re coping the build costs is pretty much impossible.
seems like the way to go is start with a 25 yr old import and build up/fix from there. No need to mess with the 93 at this point.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:35 AM
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IMHO starting with a 93 is not the way to go. You still have to fix it up and you start with a more expensive truck that is exactly the same...just not NAS.

What are you looking to do besides a tdi swap?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:46 AM
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If you are using it outside the States, why not buy a newer Defender. In Germany an Holland you can find nice 6 or 7 years old 110 stationwagons for less then $20 K. Cars are in good condition and don't need any work. You can even use them over here although they need to be exported within 12 months.


Beside the 25 year rule for USA, in The Netherlands cars from this age are exempted from (extremely high) taxes. THis is keeping the prices high all over Europe. Beleve me, there are hardly any good 25 years old 110 available in Europe and the few that come up for sale go for the same price as a 5 year old Defender.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 05:15 PM
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That would be nice however - i do want it in the US (and LHD).
i'll be looking for an 84-85 to start building up from.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 06:38 PM
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That would be nice however - i do want it in the US (and LHD).
i'll be looking for an 84-85 to start building up from.
It is LHD. I sent you a PM with an idea.
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It is LHD. I sent you a PM with an idea.
hmmm.... a lhd, with 10 miles, hmmmmm. wonder what that idea entails....
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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:13 PM
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What are your thoughts on the engine, there was a post by ECR on how customs have tightened up on engines from later models. It would be a major pain to spend serious money on a truck and have it turned back due to the engine.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:56 PM
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I made my views of the engine issue clear in the what's legal thread.

To be completely legit, any 1983/84 has to have the original engine, not a tdi, but I know of no one yet having been stopped on that issue.
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I know of a truck in the UK. Its rhd and original 3.5 V8. It is a 5 door and on a galvanized chassis. His price includes shipment to Baltimore (cheapest US port). $11k asking price. If that interests you, I can put you in touch with the dealer.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 02:47 PM
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I have also never heard of any one having a vehicle turned back it is just that ECR made mention of it recently. If anyone knows of a case in point it would be good to know the details.
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I can build you a LHD expedition truck from an 83/4/5 what do you want?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:55 PM
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Have you looked at buying a truck that is already in-country where you plan to travel? This one in Costa Rica comes to mind.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=828180
http://www.vialunatechnology.com/forsale/defender110/

You might be able to get what you want/need overseas without having to pay the American premium for it being 'rare'.

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if hes gonna do that, he'd be better off with 7x series toyota.... or maybe just renting.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 03:37 AM
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julian - i'll contact you - researching some other options as well. No hurries right now, as i said mussing which direction to start moving in.
there are more options than i thought out there, which is good.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 04:46 AM
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To be completely legit, any 1983/84 has to have the original engine, not a tdi, but I know of no one yet having been stopped on that issue.
Trouble is, LR offered a 200Tdi retrofit kit back in the early 90's for older vehicles to be upgraded, so you could argue that you/a dealer fitted said kit, thus it's "original"
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