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Old April 9th, 2009, 05:19 PM
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Does anybody have experience ( recommendations ) on the Safari Guard progressive coils?

I like the idea, but not so sure about them.

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Old April 9th, 2009, 10:46 PM
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Wondering the same thing.
Also wondering if anyone has order these since Safari Guard has reorganized.
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I have them on my 90. Seems to be well balanced front to rear in terms of spring rates... none of the unloading I've encountered with previous OME setups.
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How do they ride compared to the OME's?
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I have them on my 90. Seems to be well balanced front to rear in terms of spring rates... none of the unloading I've encountered with previous OME setups.
Carter,


What size do you run? have any other mods made to use these? I mean relocated shocks, different bump stops, etc?
Did you put an extended shaft ( if so what lenght and from where ) ?

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Old April 10th, 2009, 11:13 AM
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I don't know anything specific to SG, but if you have never run a progressive or two rate spring, they are way better than a standard one. The stock or replacement ones are much too stiff for most wheeling. They do that for a host of reasons, but this is a much better option.
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I don't know anything specific to SG, but if you have never run a progressive or two rate spring, they are way better than a standard one. The stock or replacement ones are much too stiff for most wheeling. They do that for a host of reasons, but this is a much better option.
Could you elaborate as to what else needs to be done using these springs? I am looking at 2 or 3".

I've gotten mixed info.

Some said, lower the shock mounts and you increase 6 " of travel, without anything else

Some said, lower the shocks, new bump stops and change the shaft.

Some said, lower shock, bump, shaft, spring retainer. ( others said cones ) ( other said trailing and radius as well )


I am a mild wheeler, I keep my sway bars on, so not sure which way to go.

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I am a mild wheeler, I keep my sway bars on, so not sure which way to go.

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If you are going to keep your sway bars on, I wouldn't worry too much about gains in suspension travel, because the axle articulation will still be severely limited by the sway bars. You may want to at least consider sway bar disconnects..
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Could you elaborate as to what else needs to be done using these springs? I am looking at 2 or 3".

I've gotten mixed info.

Some said, lower the shock mounts and you increase 6 " of travel, without anything else

Some said, lower the shocks, new bump stops and change the shaft.

Some said, lower shock, bump, shaft, spring retainer. ( others said cones ) ( other said trailing and radius as well )


I am a mild wheeler, I keep my sway bars on, so not sure which way to go.

Thanks in advance for the input
If you run a 2" spring and the 10" shock you dont need spring retainer or brake lines with the stocker shock mounts. With the 2" spring you may or may not have driveline issues. I ended up with adjustable rear links that helped. I still have some vibration. You can lower the shock mounts and run a longer shock, rockwares setup come to mind but you will need a new brake line in the rear. You will most likely need rear links drive shafts with the 3" springs not to mention the castor issues with either the 2" or 3". Its hard to beat a stock Defender, what are your intentions? Lastly the rear sway bar is useless, i did no miss it when I took it off my stock set up. I ran with no sway bars for a little while when I did the OME, but it wasnt safe enough to run on the interstate, it is out of control if you make a "high speed maneuver". Some people may have other opinions but I was driving my truck a lot on the interstate at the time..
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What size do you run? have any other mods made to use these? I mean relocated shocks, different bump stops, etc?
Did you put an extended shaft ( if so what lenght and from where ) ?

Thanks for your input
I want to say they are the 2" version.... I have SG Stage III rear shock mounts and links with 14" shocks raked ~35 degrees forward, and 12" shocks in the front mounted vertically. I've got slightly longer bumpstops, and a SG 3-link up front.. Still running stock driveshafts front and rear. Also have spring retainers.
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Could you elaborate as to what else needs to be done using these springs? I am looking at 2 or 3".

I've gotten mixed info.

Some said, lower the shock mounts and you increase 6 " of travel, without anything else

Some said, lower the shocks, new bump stops and change the shaft.

Some said, lower shock, bump, shaft, spring retainer. ( others said cones ) ( other said trailing and radius as well )


I am a mild wheeler, I keep my sway bars on, so not sure which way to go.

Thanks in advance for the input
What size tire do you want to run and what is a mild wheeler? Some of us can help, but you'll get a ton of terrible advice without specifics.
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All springs are progressive the last time i heard!
The hype behind progressive springs is nothing but snake oil!
Best way to set up your suspension is with spring rates, shock (dampening/rebound) & sway bar / bushings combo!
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All springs are progressive the last time i heard!
The hype behind progressive springs is nothing but snake oil!
Best way to set up your suspension is with spring rates, shock (dampening/rebound) & sway bar / bushings combo!
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What size tire do you want to run and what is a mild wheeler? Some of us can help, but you'll get a ton of terrible advice without specifics.
My bad.


Current 265/75/16..... next 285/75/16.
Mild wheeler for me is some green and blues. I might adventure down the road to more ( when my driving qualifications improve ) .
In other words, I don't want to do the set up twice but I don't want to do an Extreme either.


( I know ( well I think ) I can do OME 764/781 and achieve 3" and all I need to do is get a different shaft and be done ( maybe I am wrong ), and keep my Bilstein on it or get OME shocks as well )
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I am running 4 inch which really ends up being 3.5. great stuff, had to do shock mount drops and did double cardons front and rear. Rear sway bar was removed and then put back on, too much camber in the roads here and didnt like crabbing at 55. No problems with castor or brake lines yet, but really like the ride and performance of the product. They are softer than the ome that was on the truck.
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...too much camber in the roads here and didnt like crabbing at 55. No problems with castor or brake lines yet, but really like the ride and performance of the product. They are softer than the ome that was on the truck.
You can't change camber on a live axle......

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Current 265/75/16..... next 285/75/16.
Mild wheeler for me is some green and blues. I might adventure down the road to more ( when my driving qualifications improve ) .
In other words, I don't want to do the set up twice but I don't want to do an Extreme either.
Then do nothing. A 90 does not need a lift. You don't need to do things just because other people do or it sounds cool.
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My bad.


Current 265/75/16..... next 285/75/16.
Mild wheeler for me is some green and blues. I might adventure down the road to more ( when my driving qualifications improve ) .
In other words, I don't want to do the set up twice but I don't want to do an Extreme either.


( I know ( well I think ) I can do OME 764/781 and achieve 3" and all I need to do is get a different shaft and be done ( maybe I am wrong ), and keep my Bilstein on it or get OME shocks as well )
Hey,

Your tire of choice is a 33x11in tire. It will fit without any lift. It would look funny with a 3in lift. I wouldn't do anything at all to it. Drive it and see what you don't like. Then fix that. For the most part, the shock and cone advice here is way off. Cheers

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You can't change camber on a live axle......
I see you have never jumped your 90......
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Then do nothing. A 90 does not need a lift. You don't need to do things just because other people do or it sounds cool.
TOO MUCH CAMBER IN THE ROADS NOT THE SUSPENSION :o0

Spend some time on Maines back roads, lots of camber/crown ;o)
ie riding the center line so your passenger is not six inches lower than you. no rear sway bar and sudden moves in those conditions may lead to the posterior preceeding the anterior, no fun reconnectedthe sway bar
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My bad.


Current 265/75/16..... next 285/75/16.
Mild wheeler for me is some green and blues. I might adventure down the road to more ( when my driving qualifications improve ) .
In other words, I don't want to do the set up twice but I don't want to do an Extreme either.


( I know ( well I think ) I can do OME 764/781 and achieve 3" and all I need to do is get a different shaft and be done ( maybe I am wrong ), and keep my Bilstein on it or get OME shocks as well )

Why not just get a set of 2' or 3' Rovertym springs.. they are great and ride better then any OME spring ever made. I can not comment on the SG springs. I never had them. The RYM springs are progressive as well.. I recommend the RR4 in front and the RR3 in rear.. Give them a call and talk to them.. IF you want to run 285's, I would do the 2".
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