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Old November 23rd, 2013, 07:33 PM
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Plug and Play Projector Headlights

Hey guys, I'm Ben with Dapper Lighting. I've been getting a TON of Defender owners contacting me and purchasing our 7" kits. I wanted to see if anyone would be interested in a kit at a discount price in exchange for some high resolution pictures and possibly a write up?

You can check out the kits here: http://www.dapperlighting.com/collec...tor-headlights

We can extend a 30% discount to anyone who is willing to help us out. Feel free to ask us any questions.

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Old November 23rd, 2013, 07:37 PM
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Are these for HID or halogen?
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 07:37 PM
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Are these for HID or halogen?
They come with halogen bulbs but you can upgrade to HIDs. You just need to refocus the projector for the HID bulbs.



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Old November 23rd, 2013, 07:43 PM
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Are they highway legal?
Is a relay harness part of the package?
Shipping cost to Scottsdale, AZ?
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 07:46 PM
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Are they highway legal?
Is a relay harness part of the package?
Shipping cost to Scottsdale, AZ?
HID's aren't legal so technically no. If you run them as a halogen kit then they meet FMVSS108.

Most customers run a 5K HID kit and have them pointed correctly.

A HID relay harness is included with the halogen and HID versions. I do have some halogen relay harnesses as well.

Shouldn't be more than $12-14 shipped to AZ.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 07:55 PM
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I may be interested in this. They might ultimately end up on a classic range rover as I need to upgrade the lights anyway, but I can absolutely takes pictures and do a small write up on the defender.

Halogen obviously. I'm not running illegal HID's, but I would be okay with non DOT approved projector halogens. I can show you pictures of my truck if you'd like?

Here's one I had on hand.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 08:00 PM
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HID's aren't legal so technically no. If you run them as a halogen kit then they meet FMVSS108.

Most customers run a 5K HID kit and have them pointed correctly.

A HID relay harness is included with the halogen and HID versions. I do have some halogen relay harnesses as well.

Shouldn't be more than $12-14 shipped to AZ.
What exactly do you mean by "HIDs are not legal"?
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 08:01 PM
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I may be interested in this. They might ultimately end up on a classic range rover as I need to upgrade the lights anyway, but I can absolutely takes pictures and do a small write up on the defender.

Halogen obviously. I'm not running illegal HID's, but I would be okay with non DOT approved projector halogens. I can show you pictures of my truck if you'd like?

Here's one I had on hand.
Maybe shoot me an email at ben@dapperlighting.com and we can discuss specifics. Thanks for your quick responses.

We would ideally like one person for each of our kits: Chrome Classics, Black Classics, and Modern.

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What exactly do you mean by "HIDs are not legal"?
It is illegal to retrofit HIDs into any vehicle that they did not come stock on. So unless the car came stock with HIDs, you can't legally install them. However people still continue to run them.

Personally, I believe running them in a proper housing which is correctly aligned isn't an issue but still illegal.

They actually did a study that showed people weren't bothered by the color (as most people tend to associate the white/blue lights with HIDs), and were bothered by the optics of the housing.

The issue is most people running HIDs are putting them into halogen reflective housings which causes people to associate white or blue lights as annoying or blinding. When really, a high wattage halogen bulb that is improperly aligned can be just as annoying or blinding. The important thing is to just make sure you're running everything with proper housings that are aligned correctly.

Hopefully that makes sense. I can post the study if anyone is interested.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 08:24 PM
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Ahhh gotcha. Thanks
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It's legal to retrofit HID's to vehicles that didn't come with them, provided it's a complete assembly. What is not legal is retrofitting HID bulbs in to housing /reflector/lens assemblies designed for Halogen bulbs.

Here's a link to a post I made on several Rover forums.
http://landroverforums.com/forum/mod...adlamps-39755/
I think I never posted it here because since we have 7" round headlights and there are 7" round HID assemblies on the market that meet FMVSS 108 requirements.

Also, there's a lot of good technical information about lighting, including some of the physics, here: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...lbs/bulbs.html
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Are they sealed? How do they hold up when submerged underwater?
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It's legal to retrofit HID's to vehicles that didn't come with them, provided it's a complete assembly. What is not legal is retrofitting HID bulbs in to housing /reflector/lens assemblies designed for Halogen bulbs.

Here's a link to a post I made on several Rover forums.
http://landroverforums.com/forum/mod...adlamps-39755/
I think I never posted it here because since we have 7" round headlights and there are 7" round HID assemblies on the market that meet FMVSS 108 requirements.

Also, there's a lot of good technical information about lighting, including some of the physics, here: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...lbs/bulbs.html
It's illegal because all DOT HID kits use HID bulb sizes such as D2S, D1S, etc. A housing designed for halogen is going to come with H1, H4, etc type bulbs. They never made DOT HID bulbs with aftermarket bulb sizes so you could run a DOT ballast but the bulbs will be aftermarket and non-approved. There is only 1-2 HID 7" Projector setups that are approved (that I know of). STARR being one of them, cost $700-$1000 and look hideous.

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Are they sealed? How do they hold up when submerged underwater?
The only opening is a bleed valve on the top of the back side. The rear bulb area is protected with a fairly tight grommet. I've never tested submerging the units. I would probably add some extra protection if you know you are going to submerge the units. The HID kits should be fine.
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Old November 24th, 2013, 08:11 PM
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It's illegal because all DOT HID kits use HID bulb sizes such as D2S, D1S, etc. A housing designed for halogen is going to come with H1, H4, etc type bulbs. They never made DOT HID bulbs with aftermarket bulb sizes so you could run a DOT ballast but the bulbs will be aftermarket and non-approved.
Yes, that's what I said, it's illegal to install HID bulbs in Halogen assemblies.
Aftermarket doesn't have anything to do with it.
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Not much to add regarding legality, but if you piss a cop off so bad that he's checking your headlights for DOT stamps ..... You're already screwed
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Not much to add regarding legality, but if you piss a cop off so bad that he's checking your headlights for DOT stamps ..... You're already screwed
I don't think it's a matter of pissing them off. It's impossible for HID bulbs to produce correct lighting when retrofitted to halogen housings. All they have to do is notice that, which is often easy to see.
That's the risk to a driver. The risk to a business selling them is that the NHTSA can make them not only refund the cost of them to all purchasers, but also cover the cost of fitting approved replacement lighting.
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The only opening is a bleed valve on the top of the back side. The rear bulb area is protected with a fairly tight grommet. I've never tested submerging the units. I would probably add some extra protection if you know you are going to submerge the units. The HID kits should be fine.
I'd be game to consider this (Halogen) if someone can confirm that getting splashed when really warm with really cold water will not crack them. I have seen this happen with other lights (not the stock ones).
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I'm sure these are great off road, but on the highway they would be blinding to oncoming motorists. I've been dazzled by cars with HIDs and it's rather disturbing, especially in bad weather.
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Another option, he is on the facebook and has been posting photos and what not
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Another option, he is on the facebook and has been posting photos and what not
I have my doubts that those would be legal when used in halogen assemblies.
I could be wrong, there could be some trick design that makes the LED output the same shape as a halogen bulb output. I just doubt it.
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I may be interested in an HID replacement for my Defender... if you could email me some info about the specific kit you are talking about and pricing, I'd be fine with providing pictures and a write up.

My email is: dan@landrovergreenville.com
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